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Sam...you just put a major crimp in my progress!
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That is the Tango Down Battlegrip, the one I prefer. Mannlicher, you are welcome to your opinion but $460 is a deal. Figure the $200 stock and $120 trigger upgrade, all parts are MIL spec and have MIL contracts to back it up. http://www.bushmaster.com/products.asp?cat=5$370 for a basic lower, add a trigger and decent stock and see who's getting ripped.
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Bob you snoozed too long on that link I posted for you as jimmyd223 got it. Good snag too!
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FWIW Jerrys Sports Center has stripped lower receivers from $89.90 for Stag, DPMS for $99.00, S&W for $107.50 and Armalite for $125 and all currently in stock.
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Bob you snoozed too long on that link I posted for you as jimmyd223 got it. Good snag too! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Yeah and now watch Jimmy try to sell it to me.
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Since you seem to have decided you want a short barreled (16") AR-15 and you still really don't know that much about them, why not skip over all this boutique stuff and buy a solid Basic rifle with a proven reputation.
I honestly can't think of a better gun than a Colt 6920. All this stuff about which trigger, stock, grip, etc. Is at best pretty much unimportant if you don't any real experience with a basic stock setup to compare it to. That rifle in it's stock form will run just as hard as hard as any rifle mentioned on this thread with accessories or not.
Here's another thing about Colt AR-15's, they hold thier value extremely well. This could be very important. With no experience you don't even know if this is for you.
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The Colt is always an option if you think you'd sell it later. I never sell any firearms I buy though but its a good point.
Jeff
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FWIW:
If I Understand correctly, we are looking at Coyote/Hog hunting gun (no ear protection), a longer tube is prolly a good idea.
Lots of guys hunt with 20 inch tubes, very successfully.
(Though a Colt 6920 is never a bad idea).
BMT
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BMT, I honestly tried to steer him in that direction but I thought he he already been swayed by the 16" barrel guns, that's why I made that suggestion.
IMO, a 20" gun is the way to go.
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I got a little politician in me so I might go with an 18".
Then, everyone's happy...including me.
Now, off to find and 18# upper.
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Sexy beats practical sometimes. . . . . .
You wanna come over and drive my minivan?
Me neither.
You wanna come over and drive my 1957 Jag? Hell yeah!
BMT
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Jag, nah, but got an airboat?
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No airboat, but you get the point.
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I don't care if it's 16" or 24"; whatever you drive, I'd still wear hearing protection!!! 
Biden's most truthful quote ever came during his first press conference, 03/25/21.
Drum roll please...... "I don't know, to be clear." and THAT is one promise he's kept!!!
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The fun really starts after you get it all together...
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I don't care if it's 16" or 24"; whatever you drive, I'd still wear hearing protection!!! Agreed!
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That is the Tango Down Battlegrip, the one I prefer. Mannlicher, you are welcome to your opinion but $460 is a deal. Figure the $200 stock and $120 trigger upgrade, all parts are MIL spec and have MIL contracts to back it up. http://www.bushmaster.com/products.asp?cat=5$370 for a basic lower, add a trigger and decent stock and see who's getting ripped. then spend away my friend. 
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then spend away my friend. Trust me I did!  You know the thing is I have the 3 guns I want, the way I want them. I've gotten to this point by trying many different configurations for myself and I don't expect my choices to be for everyone or anyone else and that's ok. But except for LaRue, I didn't pay retail!  Everyone should build/buy the gun that suits their needs, not wants and all any of us can do when asked for suggestions is give our examples. There is no ultimate AR for everyone, even the Marines and Army can't agree on the same gun, why should we.
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Thinking on some of these comments reminds me of my cousin's choices against mine. We both hunt coyotes with our AR's, I'd rather call one in close and he likes to see how far he can kill one.
My choices after owning 20" guns both HBAR and pencil barrel, a 17" RECCE , 14.5" M4 and several 16" barrels including bull, HBAR and pencil is the 16" light weight contour. I've ran them all over the chronograph and tried many different bullet weights, none of them kills any more dead than my 16" LW in my situation, out to 200 yards or so.
Now cuzz has a 16" LW that his wife took over and won't let him play with. He also has a BM Varminter with 24" barrel, a 17Rem with 20" barrel and a 223WSSM with a 24" barrel +2" comp. He runs 6.5-20 scopes on all his guns, kills coyotes just the same but he's screwed in low light and tight cover and readily admits it. But he does have a knack for running shots once they're out there a ways.
Would I take my 16" LW to the 600 yard line? Heck no, it ain't made for that but it has it's purpose. I hate to use this expression but "the mission dictates the equipment, not the other way around".
What's your mission?
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