Bob, didn't you pay attention to the video???? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> All the bullet and rifle details were covered quite well. For you "old" guys, the steer was shot at 125 yards on public land in the mountains with a .25-284. The bullet was a 100 grain Barnes XLC moving along at over 3,500 fps. The steer took two bullets right in the shoulder, but was dead on the first one. The second was for insurance, because he was charging. Muley Stalker, you should have been there. It was quite spectactular <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Flinch