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Originally Posted by RosinBag
I don't know the people you know, but I know Aron and he puts in more miles in one year than many will put in a lifetime of hunting. You don't have to be impressed by that, I am just letting you know.


And sorry to burst your bubble.. But I'd rather walk 15 miles in ankle high grass and hard ground than 4 miles in the SE rainforest..

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Originally Posted by HardCoreHunter

I have had a 4500, and a mr crew cab. I like the blue widow of the three by a large margin........

If you were on here in the last few days I told everyone I just ordered one yesterday...that is the point. Yiou act like you are enlightening the board that I don't even have a blue widow yet, and the board already knows.


So you had the first two packs before your pack has even shipped to your house you like the blue more by a large margin?? What don't even know if it will work with your body type.

I personally like MR packs but will admit that for heavy weight hauling my NICE 6500 with the higher load lifters works much better than the NICE frame with just a load sling or longbow. That said FOR ME even the NICE frame with a longbow or load sling carries weight much better than a badlands (both the 2200 and 2800).

Prince pinch point does come into play for me. I picked up my NICE 6500 with frame and load sling for $300. It works great for all my long (5 days or more) backpack hunting trips. I wanted a low profile day pack that was capable of hauling a load out no problem if needed and was between 2000-3000 cu in. Can you name the better pack I could get that would met that requirement under $200 than the NICE frame with longbow?? I think most would agree that for only another $189 more I can get the longbow on my NICE frame and have two MR packs for only $489. So that the same as a Eberlestock Blue widow ($289)pack for longer trips and a Badlands 2200 ($200). And FOR ME both MR packs are more capable of hauling loads comfortably for their purposes than the Eberlestock and Badlands.

But MR packs work FOR ME. I would like to try Kifaru packs for sure though. I have a Barney's freighter as well for hauling moose quarters as well. For long distance backpacking trips I have bought a Osprey Aether 85 but haven't tried it yet other than loading it up for a mile hike but it feels good, but I can't say I like it by a large margin over other packs I have owned as I haven't really put it to use yet. laugh

For short backpacking trips I have a 3 lb 3500 cu in Mountain Hardwear. All have a purpose and work FOR ME.

I don't understand why folks get bent out of shape when some folks say a certain brand of pack didn't work for them or they didn't like this or that feature about that brand. OK fine, they didn't like it, doesn't mean it won't work for my purposes just as good as it did before just because someone else doesn't like how that pack worked for them.

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Originally Posted by Calvin


And sorry to burst your bubble.. But I'd rather walk 15 miles in ankle high grass and hard ground than 4 miles in the SE rainforest..


Oh so true!!!

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Originally Posted by alaska_lanche

So you had the first two packs before your pack has even shipped to your house you like the blue more by a large margin?? What don't even know if it will work with your body type.


LOL....classic.

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Calvin, you strike me as a guy who got picked on in school. Always got bullied, but so bad wanted to be the bully. It is OK, you will probably never get over it, though so just keep popping off on the forum. I am sure you are the greatest hunter, packer, woodsman in your own mind hiding behind the keyboard.


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You're an idiot.. Hiding behind a keyboard? I've posted a few pics on this site, as well as personally knowing at least a dozen members on this site.

Nobody's claiming to be great. You guys need to actually make sure you have your packs in hand before you start making claims about them. People will stop making fun of you.

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Originally Posted by alaska_lanche
Originally Posted by HardCoreHunter

I have had a 4500, and a mr crew cab. I like the blue widow of the three by a large margin........

If you were on here in the last few days I told everyone I just ordered one yesterday...that is the point. Yiou act like you are enlightening the board that I don't even have a blue widow yet, and the board already knows.


So you had the first two packs before your pack has even shipped to your house you like the blue more by a large margin??
Those are another guy's comments on the blue widow thread, I quoted that another guy posted that has owned a Crewcab and a blue widow.

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Originally Posted by HardCoreHunter
I like a quote from Elk Reaper that says basically,"There is no one pack that is right for everyone, just right for you." Let's just leave it at that. Here is another guy,

I have had a 4500, and a mr crew cab. I like the blue widow of the three by a large margin. I have carried heavy and light loads. Good pack and very comfortable. I did think the shoulder straps were a bit thin when I first purchased the pack. But I have hauled heavy loads with no discomfort.
http://forums.bowsite.com/TF/bgforums/thread.cfm?threadid=372497&forum=5#2795367

Everybody has opinions. I guess to stay on topic, maybe the pack hasn't sold because others have read what I have? Maybe a poor economy? Probably a lot of us that won't skimp on quality, want the best, but can't see paying twice or 3 times as much for a product, then what something very similar can do at a much lower price. Example, a 5 man SL5 go lite tipi, stove, and stove jack for under $500, or a 6 man Kifaru tipi, stove jack, and stove for $1300. $800 better quality? Some will say yes, some will say no. Whatever floats your boat.
I thought this post was very clear. Click on the link, it is there.

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Originally Posted by Rackmastr
Originally Posted by alaska_lanche

So you had the first two packs before your pack has even shipped to your house you like the blue more by a large margin?? What don't even know if it will work with your body type.


LOL....classic.
Lol...yea..Classically not reading the post.

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[quote= by Elk Reaper, durability is never a issue with the EB packs. [/quote]


Quite the contrary, HCH,

Been there done that with eberle. And they are the most unreliable pieces of [bleep] I've ever had on my back. I would not and will not reccomend them to anyone.. And for someone to claim otherwise is pure BS, unless they really aren't hittin the brush.

And the last thing on this earth I'd do is send a young man or women off to war with a Eberle on his back... Death Wish..

I can see a solider running for his life now and shoulder straps start fallin apart.. Or valuable gear is lost because of torn material and [bleep] stichin..

They are not tough packs!! You wanta run one go ahead. I wish you the best of luck...



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Thanks for the review Shag, time will tell if Elk Reaper and the hundreds of other owners that own the Blue widow are wrong with their positive reviews of the pack, and you are right with your review. I know that if I don't like it, I can put it in the Archerytalk Classifieds and move it within hours of posting it. You will rarely find a used one, and they sell fast on the site if they do get listed.

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Originally Posted by HardCoreHunter
Originally Posted by Rackmastr
Originally Posted by alaska_lanche

So you had the first two packs before your pack has even shipped to your house you like the blue more by a large margin?? What don't even know if it will work with your body type.


LOL....classic.
Lol...yea..Classically not reading the post.


Haha, I didn't realize you were quoting multiple people, sorry. I hope ya like your pack. There will always be those that say I like this pack over that and others that say just the opposite. Are either wrong, probably not its just what works for them and their uses. You can read as many posts/reviews/stories as you want but ultimately it comes down to what works for you.

I was reluctant to try MR packs due to price and the way my Arcteryx Bora 95 worked for me on my pack. Turns out it works great for my body, much better than Arcteryx Bora for me. Other would say I can't believe you left Arcteryx in favor for Mystery Ranch. Both companies make top notch stuff just that I happen to like the MR stuff more for me.

On thing I would caution you on is this not be the best pack for super long trips as its a little small for a week plus in the field plus a load of game meat out, plus a little on the big side for a daypack. In my experience things that do everything ok do nothing excellent. Just my thoughts, but I have never tried a Eberlestock so I can't comment on it and I won't go searching the internet for quotes that share my point of view or decision to buy a given pack.

Just keep your ideas and mind open to better stuff or be satisfied with what you know works for you.

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Problem is, you're not talking to newbe's here. Linking to reviews from an unknown, to make a point won't fly.

Most here understand how to read spec, then make a purchase and test to see if it is all that. Usually it is ok and seldom the end all advertised or worked as well as it did for a reviewer. We may express our hope that it will work great and go into detail what we want it to accomplish, but not come on here lauding it till it is actually tested personally.

As an example, it's irritating when after a couple pages of helping someone with detailed techniques to calling in elk because I've done it since the early 80's, someone that hasn't done it, say's that I should get some DVD they saw to really know how to call elk... Right.

I've used/like Eberle packs ok for weapons carry and the BW looks good, but my Gregory packs are just as good if I add the bow bucket. My Nice frame humps heavy loads better than the Eberle by 15 lbs for me, 70 lbs on the E feels the same as 85 on the MR with my testing and either is fine really. I have 8 packs on the wall of my garage, at some point you have to just say enough and go with what you got. Though I would like to test the new G2 and the BW.

Get your new pack, go test it and give us an honest review, we'll find that interesting... googled/other forum reviews, not so much...

I also liked your tipi post.

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Originally Posted by krp

I've used/like Eberle packs ok for weapons carry and the BW looks good, but my Gregory packs are just as good if I add the bow bucket.


Speaking of which I just bought two Eberlestock Buttbuckets for my MR packs as well we'll see how well they work out.

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I really like my X1 for bow carry on day hunts, I took this world record trophy in a few seconds by flicking the tether release, bringing the bow around and shooting.

I believe the Bow bucket works the same.

Massive G1s on is what made this a WR...










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Originally Posted by krp
I really like my X1 for bow carry on day hunts, I took this world record trophy in a few seconds by flicking the tether release, bringing the bow around and shooting.

I believe the Bow bucket works the same.

Massive G1s on is what made this a WR...

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shocked look at those eyegards!!!!! He didn't try to charge did he? I hear those Greater Southwestern North American Rabid Jack Rabbits can be mean.



Serious question.....I've got a Longbow with NICE coming next week. 'lanche said it worked for his body type. What body types typically like the NICE frame? I'm 6'3, but I wear a normal size pack b/c I wear the belt so high on my waist. Just curious, because I'll find out this week (hopefully), and with MR's 60 day (new/unused condition) return policy if it doesnt fit I'll just send it back.

BTW, I talked with MR last week and specifically asked if they were planning on a taller version of the NICE frame. I was told it is on the drawing board, but that several other things are ahead of it and it'll be at least a year before they can start testing.

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He was actually a jackalope but just shed so the danger factor in the charge was minimal... I found his sheds also...

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I'm 5' 9' and seem to have little problem with any pack as far as pulling me in directions, the eberle will pull me a little more back when loaded heavy buy not uncomfortable, the nice not much at all but my max has been 85 lbs of elk meat with that pack as I weight only 145 myself and just won't go much more.

I've heard the nice is iffy for fit on taller guys, That's all I can say.

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Yep I've heard the same complaint from taller guys as well.

I too am 5'9 though chunkier than Kent at 160 and like I said it works for me great. You won't know until you try though and with MRs return policy ya might as well give it a whirl.

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Rackmaster, this guy wants to know if you have this Mystery Ranch pack still, if not AT and members like a guy to close his threads. Why are you selling it?

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1188517&highlight=mystery+ranch

Guys, I will let you know what I think of it for sure. I am picky and if I don't like something, it won't hang around. I currently have a Badlands 2200, a Hornhunter western(my favorite whitetail treestand/stick carrier), a badlands Monster fanny, a Rancho Safari catquiver VI, a Cabelas Alaskan Outfitter external frame pack, a Magnus Rack pack, a Horn Hunter Blind hog. All great packs for what they are intended to do. I want to try this Eberlstock blue widow, as I want an internal frame pack that can haul all of my gear in,and still be used as a hunting daypack. This is one of the few packs that meet this requirement. This is a wide pack and doesn't stick above your head, and when equipped with the optional zip in super spike duffel, will expand from 2200 cu in to 7600 cu in. I feel that the butt bucket is just not needed and I can just lash the bow to my pack if I want to. S&S archery(Steve) is agreat guy out of Idaho, and is a dealer for these, and shot me a price of a rain cover, a super spike duffel, and the JP 9 Blue Widow for $297 shipped to my door. If I don't like it, he says I have 30 days to return it.Like stated, no pack can do it all, and that is why I own so many. The Blue Widow is quite adjustable to fit the users needs.

http://www.eberlestock.com/JP9%20Blue%20Widow.htm

http://www.eberlestock.com/Backpack%20Tech%20Tips.htm#bending%20stays





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Here is another deal for you MR guys

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1130999&highlight=mystery+ranch

Don't know if it is still available or not, as the thread hasn't been closed like AT wants you to once an item is sold.

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