Why has nobody jumped on this? It has a ton of the extras and looks to be a great deal for someone. Is MR resale that bad?

I have had the same observation. I have had a CBMR pack for sale several times with a few tire kickers and that is it. I think that I am just going to keep mine and use it.

Its a good deal with lots of extras but its not a normal NICE frame. The one for sale is made to be worn over body armor. Would make a great package for someone deployed but its a pretty specialized piece of gear.

My new Kifaru Siwash has been up for sale since December and just a few tire kickers since. Talk about poor re-sale, I paid around $500 for this setup a couple years ago! The bag is brand new due to Kifaru's warranty. I'll just keep it and chuck it when its worn out.

Kifaru Siwash For Sale

MtnHtr

I sold my G1 siwash for almost what I paid for it ...... but that was before the G2 series were released. Overall, both MR and Kifaru seem to have great resell value. Timing is everything.

Ohhhh. Did not notice that.

Ya, I think the only reason it has not sold is the frame, I noticed that right off the hop, and although it is specified, Im sure some people would not notice unless they have realy looked over MR products (military and tactical included)

Its a shame really, last month I was looking for a MR pack, and could not find one to my specs for the life of me, then this month a bunch of them pop up for very good prices! After I purchased straight from them of course.

It might have something to do with America being BROKE.

I aint buying that. The guys that have money are capitalizing on stuff like this right now. It's the frame.

Actually it is the "normal N.I.C.E. frame". The Bolstered Ventilation and Stability (BVS) System just adds two pads. One on either side. They are mesh pockets filled with a styrofoam (sp) roll to create a depression for the body armor and ventilation. They can be easily removed without damage in any way. If memory serves me correctly, the mesh pockets have zippers so that the foam pads can be removed.

I have been doing tons of research for a meat hauling, heavy camp load hauler, big cu inch, but can still use as a daypack once you get your camp setup, internal frame pack, and the crew cab gets negative reviews for it's load lifter straps, and the abilty to use it as a daypack once you setup camp. I went with the Erblestock Blue Widow. It is not so much that it is a load hauler, but that it will get your gear back in and still be able to be hunted out of daily. Multi use for a guy that only goes out west every year or two, and spends the rest of his time chasing whitetails. I can use my boat to get to much of my hunting grounds, and just use the blue widow to pack my tipi, gear, treestand, and stuff I need for a Iowa pre rut bow hunt.

Yea something like that..................but not really.

Even with the angle on the lift straps on the MR Crewcab, its still LIGHTYEARS better than anything Eberlestock has to offer. I gave away my J104 and J107 shortly after I got the NICE frame.

Dan, never used the Blue widow though? I have yet to read one negative review on it.

The 104 and Widow are night and day! It cracks me up how those with short-torso's that paid $600 and will have anger issues if you say anything negative abot them. They are well made and heavy. I sold mine after trying it on one hunt. My shoulders were misserable. For each is their own, but if you have never tried one, it shows ignorance when you have never tried something and slam it. You belong on the Bowsite pack thread.

You can't even compare a Eberlestock to a MR Crewcab. I have tried them both. I could come out and just say i think Eberlestock packs are a POS, but that would be just rude

Some guys like them i guess, they are camo and have lots of pockets. I have found they are not a great day pack and not great load haulers, they just do both ok.

Have you? How about a crew cab?

Where are these negative reports on the CC?

Exactly.

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1184816&highlight=mystery+ranch+crewcab

post 26

Here is one that comes to mind

Keep trying............

What are you trying to prove Hardcorehunter? I am just trying to figure out the point of all this since you seem to have brought this topic up out of nowhere, when no one asked.

Quote from Elk Reaper about the Blue widow



I talked about the Blue Widow a few times, but I would say that it can carry as much as any person could handle, durability is never a issue with the EB packs. You could find a pack that is more comfortable, but the BW is very versatile and that goes a long way.

http://forums.bowsite.com/TF/bgforums/thread.cfm?threadid=381371&forum=5#2946357

I guess if I am going to dish out big money for a crewcab, I want it all.

nothing.

So you read about it on the Internet? That's what your basing your opinion on?

It's kinda funny

TX trapper.

Phil, I will have to respectfully disagree with you. Yes, the LL's will pull the load into the back but at the same time with the angle being up above the shoulders this in turn DOES lift the load off the shoulders. Thus the name Load lifter strap's. Yes, there are many hauling hvy loads with the NICE frame and if you get the ones that have the loadlifters attached where they need to be, which is up above the shoulders they will work. The people hauling those loads. Go look at their packs and look at how the weight is pulling down off their shoulders( the CrewCab). This is not the best design out there. I have had the NICE w/ Crewcab and got rid of it for this flaw. You can do what ever you desire. I have had lengthy talks w/ MR about this and they do know. I will say the people with a shorter torso do seem to get by better, but still it is a flaw in a pack that is designed to haul hvy loads, long distances. Again, you can do what ever floats your boat. Do a search over on 24 hr and you will see this discussed. If you want to do one better, go over to Dan McHales site and look at the Bypass system. This so far is the best design out there, that's why it is patented.

Have a nice day!!!! Allen

http://forums.bowsite.com/TF/bgforums/thread.cfm?threadid=370585&forum=5#2840339

I use the internet and read reviews to buy most of my gear. How else do you make intelligent choices? It has paid off so far.

TXT is correct IMO. Load lifters shift where the weight is carried by pulling it off the top of the shoulders forward to the attachment point over the clavicle. I canot explain the physics, but it does very much seem to help shift the weight of the load to the hips. I tried on the CrewCab on in SLC earlier this year and the short frame height did not allow the load lifters to work as well as on a taller pack.

Having said that, it depends on what you want a pack for. The CC is more versatile and is a better carry-alot and pack-a little than some of the taller packs. Many times I have wished my Kifaru LH did not stick up as far over the top of my shoulders as it does when used in day pack-mode. But I do prefer a pack with a taller frame for packing for the reasons mentioned above. It's all about trade-offs.

http://forums.bowsite.com/TF/bgforums/thread.cfm?threadid=370585&forum=5#2840339

So, I am wrong in my research> The load lifters are great on a MR Crewcab?

The load lifters on the NICE are not designed to lift a load onto your shoulders. It would be impossible to achieve with the short NICE frame. They are made to bring the load into your back.
You cant expect a strap to fix a improperly loaded pack. This is what the guys at MR will tell you as well. If you need a pack with higher lifters you buy a different model.

If you look at all those pictures form your link you will notice how they show the packs not being able to carry the weight they are loaded with. Elk reaper is a monster of a dude and even he is leaning way forward as those packs are giving up. The only exception was the osprey.

Here is the problem most are having. You play thread Jesus and bring up a thread that is down who knows how many pages, then make an assumption about something you have never used. Your posting other peoples opinion like its gospel.

I like a quote from Elk Reaper that says basically,"There is no one pack that is right for everyone, just right for you." Let's just leave it at that. Here is another guy,

I have had a 4500, and a mr crew cab. I like the blue widow of the three by a large margin. I have carried heavy and light loads. Good pack and very comfortable. I did think the shoulder straps were a bit thin when I first purchased the pack. But I have hauled heavy loads with no discomfort.
http://forums.bowsite.com/TF/bgforums/thread.cfm?threadid=372497&forum=5#2795367

Everybody has opinions. I guess to stay on topic, maybe the pack hasn't sold because others have read what I have? Maybe a poor economy? Probably a lot of us that won't skimp on quality, want the best, but can't see paying twice or 3 times as much for a product, then what something very similar can do at a much lower price. Example, a 5 man SL5 go lite tipi, stove, and stove jack for under $500, or a 6 man Kifaru tipi, stove jack, and stove for $1300. $800 better quality? Some will say yes, some will say no. Whatever floats your boat.

Yea I can use google too. I agree 100% that gear only has to work for the person who is using it and thats it.

If you would have read the whole thread you would have seen the NICE frame that was for sale was made to be worn with body armor. Most hunters I know leave the kevlar at home.

MR is not 3 times the price of Eb packs either. Some choose to pay a premium for quality gear made in the USA. Others don't. Comparing EB and MR is like apples and oranges. Much like comparing Golite to Kifaru.

I'm pretty sure that's the main reason.

Erblestock have alifetime warranty, not sure where they are made...probably in Vietnam like Badlands packs..., MR crewcab and NICE frame cost twice as much as my blue widow, and I did read the whole thread..that it wouldn't take anything much to turn it into a reg NICE frame...I am sure that a MR is a nice pack no doubt. Worth twice as much??... all in the eye of the beholder.

Alright since your missing the point and I'm tired of boosting your post count.

People value a accurate opinion when they are going to spend money. When you have used a piece of gear please tell us how it worked for you. If you have not please don't assume you know how it will perform.

Your post on building your stove and modding your SL5 was great. A perfect example of useful content that will help people. That's what makes this forum so much better then the rest. People who actually use there gear and write about it.

I really doubt that anyone puts more time into the mountains and packing back in then Elk Reaper. He lives somewhere 1/3 of a year in the woods if I remember right. Anyway, Here are some more comments by him:

"IMO The blue widow is the best pack from the Eberlestock line. I did a ton of field testing on each and the Blue widow is a hard pack to top."

"I did not like the MR crew cab or longbow but thought the Bighorn was one of the best packs I ever used. "

http://forums.bowsite.com/TF/bgforums/thread.cfm?threadid=379652&forum=5#2935163

Why don't you let him speak for himself, your just sounding like another keyboard cowboy that can use a search engine. Sounds like you want to start a church of worship of the ELK REAPER and he is the almighty.

Alright, you told me too, so I did. I think that is enough info posted. I will give an honest review of my Blue widow and if it doesn't fit the bill for me, it will go down the road.

And your built just like him right? You hunt elk in CO 1/3 of the year too right?

Just because its great for him doesn't mean its the best for everyone. He says great things about MR in almost all his post. Even says he no longer owns a blue widow.

That's what th search buttons are for on these forums, and Elk Reaper did speak for himself, he posted his opinion. You posted your opinion and said that a eberlstok is a POS. You are the only one that I have read that review on, so It doesn't hold much water imo.

So you have not even used it yet! This just gets better and better!

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...1/Blue_Widow_Owners_Question#Post4098271

and whats that link for?

You wanted info and negative reviews, so I gave them to you. What more do you want?

Those are not reviews.

If you were on here in the last few days I told everyone I just ordered one yesterday...that is the point. Yiou act like you are enlightening the board that I don't even have a blue widow yet, and the board already knows.

Alright, i guess i am done, i had my fun for the day.

You just aren't hardcore enough.. Big W.

Hey at least it was something to do on a drizzly May afternoon

I know, i guess i have not spent enough time in a treestand to earn that title.

I think that Elk Reaper is talking to you here. "One of the reasons I have used so many packs is that it is easy for someone to say that badlands is better then eberlestock or MR is awesome and everything else sucks, BUT most people that say things like that have very little first hand knowledge of all the packs.

I would rather speak intelligently about all the packs and give the pro's and con's of each with first hand knowledge.

One thing I can say for sure is that all the packs are well built and ready for use. It all come down to fit and personal preference."

I must be an [bleep], but I have zero interest in what some dude named "elk reaper" claims about any flashy "hardcore" pack. When I have a pack question, I hit up a few of the local guys who do 30 mile walk ins to go dalls sheep hunting. I take what they say to the bank. For some reason, they ain't using Badlands.. Maybe you can set them straight?!

Does that sound like i said they were a POS, no. I said i could say that, because i hated mine. I know that other people use them and like them, thats why i said that. Are they a POS to me? Yes, mostly cause i would never use one again, but they work for some. For the record, i don't even like the MR NICE system, but it's a lot better then a Eberlestock. There, NOW i am done.

Calvin, I do the same thing, to an extent. I talk with locals, out of state friends, read reviews...what you need on a sheep hunt won't fit my needs here in IA or NM, CO, ID, WY, or ID on a hunt. What I want in a pack, won't fit your needs either. You could probably care less what a Dave Smith Turkey decoy is either, and how they are the best imo and many other's opinions. Locals don't even know about these decoys. If not for the internet, I wouldn't have even discovered these awesome decoys. I bow hunt ALOT, and if I relied just on my local friends to inform me about Lone Wolf treestands or Lone Wolf climbing sticks, I would be SOL. They are too tight to use them, or even know how great they are. If you guys don't care what an experienced guy like Elk Reaper and others on forums know, then you are missing out.

Thanks to forums, I am also shooting the best bow I have ever owned, and I have owned a lot. Strother Archery SR-71. Sometimes locals aren't the best place to get your info, they only buy what is available to them. I drove 3 hours to Crackers shop in St. Jo, MO to get it. I have a buddy in MN and he is "forced" to buy only Mathews bows as this is what his local pro shop only carries and he isn't going to take a drive to go somewhere else.

Calvin, do you even know Elk Reaper? I am guessing you don't. Maybe if you did, you wouldn't say as much. Aron, or Elk Reaper, as you know him does many a mile in the back country. I would guess as many as anyone you know. I don't know the people you know, but I know Aron and he puts in more miles in one year than many will put in a lifetime of hunting. You don't have to be impressed by that, I am just letting you know.

Go check the Bowsite Forums and look at some of his reviews, specifically the 2010 Pack Review. No nonsense reviews, the good, the bad and the ugly.

Pack threads are getting ridiculous. There is no way that there will ever be a pack that every one agrees on as being the best. There is good and bad in every one, it is deciding on which pack fits your body, your type of hunting and needs the best. PERIOD. For all the naysayers that think one company is better than the next for one reason or another, there is someone else saying the opposite.

I have had two of the MR CC. Bought one, thought it was absolutely built bullet proof. Mark and the Crew at MR build a top notch product. For me I couldn't get it to carry my gear the way I wanted to and the LL were to short and designed to pull the load into your body to stabilize it. Two years later I tried it again, hoping I could change my setup, but it didn't work for me. The only problem I had was I bent one top piece of the NICE frame, nothing bad, you could just see a little bend in it. When talking with the MR guys, the showed me how to fix it and also how to prevent. Great customer service for sure. So just because I didn't get the MR CC to work for me doesn't mean it sucks or I am going to bad mouth their product, which many people do when something doesn't fit or work for them.

I have tried Kifaru, Badlands, Mystery Ranch, Eberlestock, Bull Pacs and the Barneys Freighter Packs. I could find something wrong with all of them if I wanted to, but I could also find many more positives with each of them also.

Hell will freeze over before a Pack Thread will do any good until people can stop talking out their A$$ when they have never tried something for themselves and been honest about it. To many people hear something and claim it for their own and start talking $hit far to often.

Of course and as always, JMO.

See what ya started bigsky.

Exactly. I don't know that guy. WTF should I give a flying [bleep] what he says about anything? I thought I made that clear...

You boys need to go back to your "hardcore" bowsite.

I'm sorry, but was that you packing out that Cub on your back?

Ok... I'll admit it. I can't hang with the Hardcore Badass Badlands crew.

And sorry to burst your bubble.. But I'd rather walk 15 miles in ankle high grass and hard ground than 4 miles in the SE rainforest..

So you had the first two packs before your pack has even shipped to your house you like the blue more by a large margin?? What don't even know if it will work with your body type.

I personally like MR packs but will admit that for heavy weight hauling my NICE 6500 with the higher load lifters works much better than the NICE frame with just a load sling or longbow. That said FOR ME even the NICE frame with a longbow or load sling carries weight much better than a badlands (both the 2200 and 2800).

Prince pinch point does come into play for me. I picked up my NICE 6500 with frame and load sling for $300. It works great for all my long (5 days or more) backpack hunting trips. I wanted a low profile day pack that was capable of hauling a load out no problem if needed and was between 2000-3000 cu in. Can you name the better pack I could get that would met that requirement under $200 than the NICE frame with longbow?? I think most would agree that for only another $189 more I can get the longbow on my NICE frame and have two MR packs for only $489. So that the same as a Eberlestock Blue widow ($289)pack for longer trips and a Badlands 2200 ($200). And FOR ME both MR packs are more capable of hauling loads comfortably for their purposes than the Eberlestock and Badlands.

But MR packs work FOR ME. I would like to try Kifaru packs for sure though. I have a Barney's freighter as well for hauling moose quarters as well. For long distance backpacking trips I have bought a Osprey Aether 85 but haven't tried it yet other than loading it up for a mile hike but it feels good, but I can't say I like it by a large margin over other packs I have owned as I haven't really put it to use yet.

For short backpacking trips I have a 3 lb 3500 cu in Mountain Hardwear. All have a purpose and work FOR ME.

I don't understand why folks get bent out of shape when some folks say a certain brand of pack didn't work for them or they didn't like this or that feature about that brand. OK fine, they didn't like it, doesn't mean it won't work for my purposes just as good as it did before just because someone else doesn't like how that pack worked for them.

Oh so true!!!

LOL....classic.

Calvin, you strike me as a guy who got picked on in school. Always got bullied, but so bad wanted to be the bully. It is OK, you will probably never get over it, though so just keep popping off on the forum. I am sure you are the greatest hunter, packer, woodsman in your own mind hiding behind the keyboard.

You're an idiot.. Hiding behind a keyboard? I've posted a few pics on this site, as well as personally knowing at least a dozen members on this site.

Nobody's claiming to be great. You guys need to actually make sure you have your packs in hand before you start making claims about them. People will stop making fun of you.

Those are another guy's comments on the blue widow thread, I quoted that another guy posted that has owned a Crewcab and a blue widow.

I thought this post was very clear. Click on the link, it is there.

Lol...yea..Classically not reading the post.

[quote= by Elk Reaper, durability is never a issue with the EB packs. [/quote]


Quite the contrary, HCH,

Been there done that with eberle. And they are the most unreliable pieces of [bleep] I've ever had on my back. I would not and will not reccomend them to anyone.. And for someone to claim otherwise is pure BS, unless they really aren't hittin the brush.

And the last thing on this earth I'd do is send a young man or women off to war with a Eberle on his back... Death Wish..

I can see a solider running for his life now and shoulder straps start fallin apart.. Or valuable gear is lost because of torn material and [bleep] stichin..

They are not tough packs!! You wanta run one go ahead. I wish you the best of luck...

Thanks for the review Shag, time will tell if Elk Reaper and the hundreds of other owners that own the Blue widow are wrong with their positive reviews of the pack, and you are right with your review. I know that if I don't like it, I can put it in the Archerytalk Classifieds and move it within hours of posting it. You will rarely find a used one, and they sell fast on the site if they do get listed.

Haha, I didn't realize you were quoting multiple people, sorry. I hope ya like your pack. There will always be those that say I like this pack over that and others that say just the opposite. Are either wrong, probably not its just what works for them and their uses. You can read as many posts/reviews/stories as you want but ultimately it comes down to what works for you.

I was reluctant to try MR packs due to price and the way my Arcteryx Bora 95 worked for me on my pack. Turns out it works great for my body, much better than Arcteryx Bora for me. Other would say I can't believe you left Arcteryx in favor for Mystery Ranch. Both companies make top notch stuff just that I happen to like the MR stuff more for me.

On thing I would caution you on is this not be the best pack for super long trips as its a little small for a week plus in the field plus a load of game meat out, plus a little on the big side for a daypack. In my experience things that do everything ok do nothing excellent. Just my thoughts, but I have never tried a Eberlestock so I can't comment on it and I won't go searching the internet for quotes that share my point of view or decision to buy a given pack.

Just keep your ideas and mind open to better stuff or be satisfied with what you know works for you.

Problem is, you're not talking to newbe's here. Linking to reviews from an unknown, to make a point won't fly.

Most here understand how to read spec, then make a purchase and test to see if it is all that. Usually it is ok and seldom the end all advertised or worked as well as it did for a reviewer. We may express our hope that it will work great and go into detail what we want it to accomplish, but not come on here lauding it till it is actually tested personally.

As an example, it's irritating when after a couple pages of helping someone with detailed techniques to calling in elk because I've done it since the early 80's, someone that hasn't done it, say's that I should get some DVD they saw to really know how to call elk... Right.

I've used/like Eberle packs ok for weapons carry and the BW looks good, but my Gregory packs are just as good if I add the bow bucket. My Nice frame humps heavy loads better than the Eberle by 15 lbs for me, 70 lbs on the E feels the same as 85 on the MR with my testing and either is fine really. I have 8 packs on the wall of my garage, at some point you have to just say enough and go with what you got. Though I would like to test the new G2 and the BW.

Get your new pack, go test it and give us an honest review, we'll find that interesting... googled/other forum reviews, not so much...

I also liked your tipi post.

Kent

Speaking of which I just bought two Eberlestock Buttbuckets for my MR packs as well we'll see how well they work out.

I really like my X1 for bow carry on day hunts, I took this world record trophy in a few seconds by flicking the tether release, bringing the bow around and shooting.

I believe the Bow bucket works the same.

Massive G1s on is what made this a WR...

look at those eyegards!!!!! He didn't try to charge did he? I hear those Greater Southwestern North American Rabid Jack Rabbits can be mean.



Serious question.....I've got a Longbow with NICE coming next week. 'lanche said it worked for his body type. What body types typically like the NICE frame? I'm 6'3, but I wear a normal size pack b/c I wear the belt so high on my waist. Just curious, because I'll find out this week (hopefully), and with MR's 60 day (new/unused condition) return policy if it doesnt fit I'll just send it back.

BTW, I talked with MR last week and specifically asked if they were planning on a taller version of the NICE frame. I was told it is on the drawing board, but that several other things are ahead of it and it'll be at least a year before they can start testing.

He was actually a jackalope but just shed so the danger factor in the charge was minimal... I found his sheds also...



I'm 5' 9' and seem to have little problem with any pack as far as pulling me in directions, the eberle will pull me a little more back when loaded heavy buy not uncomfortable, the nice not much at all but my max has been 85 lbs of elk meat with that pack as I weight only 145 myself and just won't go much more.

I've heard the nice is iffy for fit on taller guys, That's all I can say.

Kent

Yep I've heard the same complaint from taller guys as well.

I too am 5'9 though chunkier than Kent at 160 and like I said it works for me great. You won't know until you try though and with MRs return policy ya might as well give it a whirl.

Rackmaster, this guy wants to know if you have this Mystery Ranch pack still, if not AT and members like a guy to close his threads. Why are you selling it?

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1188517&highlight=mystery+ranch

Guys, I will let you know what I think of it for sure. I am picky and if I don't like something, it won't hang around. I currently have a Badlands 2200, a Hornhunter western(my favorite whitetail treestand/stick carrier), a badlands Monster fanny, a Rancho Safari catquiver VI, a Cabelas Alaskan Outfitter external frame pack, a Magnus Rack pack, a Horn Hunter Blind hog. All great packs for what they are intended to do. I want to try this Eberlstock blue widow, as I want an internal frame pack that can haul all of my gear in,and still be used as a hunting daypack. This is one of the few packs that meet this requirement. This is a wide pack and doesn't stick above your head, and when equipped with the optional zip in super spike duffel, will expand from 2200 cu in to 7600 cu in. I feel that the butt bucket is just not needed and I can just lash the bow to my pack if I want to. S&S archery(Steve) is agreat guy out of Idaho, and is a dealer for these, and shot me a price of a rain cover, a super spike duffel, and the JP 9 Blue Widow for $297 shipped to my door. If I don't like it, he says I have 30 days to return it.Like stated, no pack can do it all, and that is why I own so many. The Blue Widow is quite adjustable to fit the users needs.

http://www.eberlestock.com/JP9%20Blue%20Widow.htm

http://www.eberlestock.com/Backpack%20Tech%20Tips.htm#bending%20stays

Here is another deal for you MR guys

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1130999&highlight=mystery+ranch

Don't know if it is still available or not, as the thread hasn't been closed like AT wants you to once an item is sold.

LOL...the guy pulled the thread up after more than a month. I responded to his PM over a week ago and I'm not really sure why you are now posting it for me. Do you check all threads in the Buy/Sell to see if the seller has responded to a thread, and ensure members close them promptly, or just mine? I feel special. Dont worry, after over 50 deals on AT and 1600+ posts there as well, I'm well aware of the rules. I'm guessing you were posting this to try and make it seem as if there was something wrong with MR stuff?

The pack was listed as I was going to buy a different MR pack. Deal fell through on the other one, so I still have it listed but not really too worried about selling it quickly. Then again, you seem to be watching it closely so you can update us all on any other changes.....lol

I've used Badlands, Eberlestock, Kifaru, MR, Sitka, Lowe Alpine, and several other backpacking brands, and I have pretty much sold them all in favour of MR. For me there is nothing better that I have found yet.

Personal experience talking here, no quoting, no link-posting, no name-dropping.....just experience.

Here is a big bodied Alberta mule deer in another MR pack....experience!

lol...awefully defensive...just curious if it was still for sale or why you didn't want it. You MR guys turn guys off to the product just because you act like it is the MR way or the highway for EVERY guy that heads for the woods.

Here is a Badlands Bino case. EXPERIENCE

When have I ever said that? I just said that for ME I havent found anything better. For a lot of my hunting friends, it has worked for them as well. I dont preach, I enjoy getting out there and hunting and using the pack that has far exceeded any other pack that I own.

I could care less what works for you in Iowa. Heck, you could carry a Dora the Explorer backpack for all I care. You dont hunt the stuff I do nor do you know the type of hunting I do. For me, there is NOTHING that has come close. Kifaru has done well for me, but the MR stuff fit me like a glove.

Defensive? No. Sick of seeing your link posting and implications? Yes. When a dude goes searching for threads and preaches about closing them up or what Archerytalk likes to do, and is telling me that I have a poster asking me about a pack from the 11th of May, it seems a bit 'stalkerish'. If searching through Buy/Sell threads and posting links on other threads is fun for you, then have at er. I have several threads on here and other sites that will keep you quite busy....

And like wise.

Obviously not. Hence why you are posting links of me selling my gear and asking why I have it for sale or if I have/haven't responded to a buyer's post. If you go looking to search out someone's posts on a subject on another site, you obviously care more than you should...

Seems like I was told to show proof of other guys not liking MR crewcabs and I produced these,and you are sick of them? Then don't read them

Nah, I check the AT classifieds several times a day. Seen it awhile back and I am always looking for deals on gear. We def don't have the same tastes or needs in packs, and that is good, if we all liked the same thing, it would be a boring world.

You're right. I can see how me selling a CBMR Behemoth has anything to do with what you're talking about.

Experience talks. Links, quotes, and name-dropping doesnt work for me. So yes...I'm sick of your attempts. I have read them and not responded, until you directed one towards me that had nothing to do with the subject.

As long as we are posting dead animal pics

Here are a few that I managed to do without a MR or an Eberlstock after I actually bought a digital camera














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Have fun with this thread. Its obviously off the rails as you dont have any experience with the products we're speaking about.

For a guy who doesnt own either an MR or an Eberle, you sure know which is better and why. I guess if thats what it takes to be Hardcore, I aint got it. Take Care.

and many more animals and And 3 bears before the digital camera days all without a MR or Eberstock

Not bragging, Just so you know I am not a novice to bow hunting

I was also in the military and marched and packed many a heavy load WAY before there were packs even close as a good as the junk Fieldline ones offered at wally world. So, I guess those that question my intelligence in researching packs and thinking that MR is the end all to the world of packs are just too narrow minded. There is no end all best of the best for everyone. What is best is what is best for that individual.

I also am mystified on the direction Hardcore has gone on this thread... for a guy that has used neither pack and yet challenging others that have went through the Eberle/MR test years ago and have made a personal choice, I don't get the motive.

I also don't get the offsite links that may be interesting in passing, rolled out as evidence with no experience.

Just say'n...

Kent

We're about packs for getting those animals out of the backcountry. Three does that you can throw whole in your truck is for the biggame forum.

Kent

See, there in lies the problems, Elk Reaper and others HAVE gone the MR and Eb test and have chosen the Eb, but these links and testimonials are labeled as BS because the almighty members here claim their opinions are the only ones with any worth and that the links posted have no validity, as they are coming from another archery forum. Lol, give me a break. I was born at night, but not last night.

SHUT UP!

Once again, assuming you know it all. Do you know where these does were killed, or any of the animals posted? Most of these kills were boned out and packed out.

No, but I would go as far as to say a MR is a piece of chit, but that would be rude.

You ever pack out a turkey? That is hardcore.. (sorry, couldn't resist)

I think everyone has a different view of what "hard" is. Some guys think "hardcore" is walking across corn fields and sitting in a blind for 14 hours. Others think it's walking in 15 miles to get to a mountain on a trail. Other think it's hiking through 1/2 mile of clearcut to get to alpine..

You see, we tried to accommodate you with examples of both packs and reason. Reread my original posts above and I didn't bash Eberlestock, I use their packs.

The MR suspension can handle more weight than the Eberle, simple fact of physics and construction. Whether it is comfortable on you is another issue.

You think you will come to this site and read from the book of 'Backpackhunting Jesus', Elk whoever and we will bow down, (guy is probably a good dude and would be embarrassed how you abused his name).

Old news you bring... go watch a DVD and learn something.

Kent

Yea, pack a turkey out with no pack to carry it in for a couple of miles and it is a lot of work. You are right Calvin. Some toms weigh as much as 30# here and they are no fun to pack out with no pack. The woods they hang out in are big ridged timbers, that have steeper inclines and tougher terrain then my last NM elk hunt. And your last post is spot on. It is laughable that some guys that live in other parts of the country, think they are real men because of where or how they hunt or what pack they use, and put down another guys hunts because of their ignorance to another one's ways. I have been boning out whitetails for years and packing back to my truck.

What is funny, is I have probably forgot more about bow hunting then a guy like you will ever know. Otherwise you wouldn't be offended by what a guy like Elk Reaper or others say about the crew cab.

So, have you ever met Elk Reaper, or do you just know him from the 'net? I've looked at his posts. The only thing I wanted to do after reading his posts is to go clean/organize his house.

Reading comprehension is not your game, I simply state that three does with no pack means go to the Biggame section. We're talking Backpack hunting here, look at the heading. I like your animals but they are misplaced here.

That means pack in, gear and then all packed out.

Here's a picture of a Eberle with 70 lbs of deer, gear, and weapon. All one trip out is the goal. With a MR I can increase that load 15 lbs. Works for me.

Stroking for folks is not my game, part of my archery record is around the net somewhere.

Kent

Just shoot the breeze with him on the net or facebook and enjoy his vast world of knowledge of packs and his life on the trails Wow, you are special Calvin. Worry about a guys house? Are you serious? I will hire you to do mine and fire my illegal alien if you do good work? How do you look in high heels?


Why do you read his posts if you have no interest tin his opinion?

Have you looked at his pics? It ain't pretty..

I, kill, go back to my truck, leave my bow, Lone Wolf climbing sticks, then go back pack my meat out.

When it takes you a minimum 3-8 hours of hard hiking and a substantial elevation change to get back to the truck/boat, going back to the truck to ditch gear really isn't an option.. (hint)

It's obvious now that your version of "backpack hunting" isn't even in the same ballpark as what most of us do. But, we all knew that, which makes this even funnier.

If you lose a trip going back to your truck, then why not just drag them little whitetails with ya. Hell, i have draged them little things for a couple miles.

inefficient, extra trip for nothing, really bad if you are 10 miles in and have an elk on the ground.

Kent

You will probably say BS so here ya go

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=405307

Our whitetails will weigh 250 and are some of the largest in the country. Try again.

How hard can it be to drag a whitetail across a corn field?

Our whitetails will weigh 250 on up and are some of the largest in the country. Your deer in WA are little, so yea, I can understand your way of hunting. Try again.

Yup, Iowa is some ruff country, looks like no one else does that but you. But hey, it's good practice for when you take your "vacation" out west.

Washington deer are little? Wow, thats gonna piss some people off.

Lol...sounds like you have nothing intelligent to say and are just mumbling dumb stuff buddy

Also, can you really bone out a deer in 20 minutes? I guess i am really slow.

Why would I say BS, that is typical day hunting within a mile or so of a road. I take many people out on their hunts and we bone almost always even then. Just take your pack and save a trip.

You don't 'need', may want, a high dollar pack for that or is that what we are discussing now.

Hunting with a backpack, could even be for a day but back in miles and no return trips except for large animals.

Kent

It must be those outdoor edge knives..

Hardcore,

Does your favorite pack have a pocket to hold a cough silencer?

Oh, i totally missed the part where he uses a hoist to hang and skin the deer. That must be nice.

For that type of hunt, I would think you would want a pack with load lifters AT LEAST 25 degrees above your shoulders. Isn't this the requirements for guys that want to haul heavy loads and do it all in one trip? The MR Crew cab doesn't fit this requirement; Correct?

It is. I use my brain.

Hey now, thats just mean. At least he does not use a BUTT-OUT.

Hardcore, you've romanticized this backpackhunting gig into something fanciful. I hate to tell you but it is really a chitload of work and you have to be mentally tough to get that third load of meat out that 23 mile round trip, instead of just saying F'it.

Kent

Yes, I can. Done so many that it goes fast for me.I am not gifted, I just have had lots of practice.

I've never bought into the loadlifter spiel, for a little guy I do have one of the strongest backs around. Genetics and concrete work for 30 years. Like I said, all packs work for my back, I'm just lucky that way.

Kent

It's kinda hard for me to find a tree to hang my deer in.. You know, hunting above the treeline and all....

If we want to talk about BS how about calling yourself the Backpack UL Tipi Guru on AT. All that in one trip? You must be gifted.

Is that the best you have? Personal attacks because you don't have a leg to stand on with your posts that have everybody laughing at their ignorance? I could say that your Mother was ugly and fat, but that would be rude.

Lol, a buddy called me that cause I have got this stove building and putting in stove jacks down. The name stuck. I like it though. Let's see your home made backpack stove and pics.

Right.........

Im sure like your other post you now know more about stoves then Ed.

HardcoreHunter..

What is your favorite hunting show on TV?

Where do you hang a Lone Wolf stand? What do you burn in your tipi wood stove?

Hate them all; watch none. You?

Did I say that?

I watch them all, for the humor. Although I'll admit that I'm a big fan of On Your Own Adventures. Shockey ain't horrid either..


You remind me of a few of the hosts that me and the kids sit around and laugh at.

Your homemade stove and tipi pics are coming, since you are quick to discount my abilities?

They all suck, lol..I suppose you believe in Scentlok too and carbon clothing? Most of those shows are sponsored by that snake oil consumer rip off. Your kids laugh at guys that know how to put animals on the ground regularly with a bow? What kind of bow do you use for your above tree line hunting. Gun hunting is too easy for me, so I hope you are at least a bow hunter.

Just another eletist bow hunter who think they are better than everyone else.(no offense to other bow hunters)

Most bow hunters are irresponsible who unnecessarily wound/lose game. Then they toss up their hands and say "oops, it happens to everyone". I see bowhunting as an excuse for guys to feel good about shooting dinks.

Btw, I shoot a Limbsaver Deadzone.

I guess I'm mystified again. What has any of your posts on day hunting in Iowa, archery doe kills and packing them back to the truck have to do with 'Backpack hunting'

You've had one trip in a tipi, the way you talk I thought many more and you know how to bone out meat, that's a good thing.

What is it you think you can teach us here?

Seriously...

Kent

Oh no, you don't bow hunt!! Sorry Big W, real guys use a lesser pack then a MR and do it with a bow.... guns and MR's are WAY too easy.

I have bow hunted too. Just so you know. And i do not use a MR pack.

I am still waiting to learn something from you. So far I see a small racked mule deer with a rifle in your pack, and you are telling me you are the man, you belong in this forum section, and that I don't, because I am an IA guy that packs his bow killed meat out, and the nearest I can tell, this is because I live in different state then you do, and do it the hard way with a bow and arrow.

I have hunted out of tipi's for 12 years since I bought my first kiva. Unlike you others here actually use there gear before we review it.

I'd love to see you post this on Bowsite or Archerytalk. Go for it if you are looking for a use for your butt out tool.

Funny how bowhunters glamorize shooting a black bear with a bow that has it's head stuck in a bbl eating donuts.. It's embarrassing. How about those fenced in, private land hunts! Special seasons, etc.. Bowhunting is a scam. Anybody can do it.

You can keep your bow. I'll keep tipping over fair chase animals with a rifle.

Pics please

I'm fine with bowhunting.. but call it for what it is. But, reality does seem to not be your strong suit..

Man, you just keep sounding dumber and dumber.

Fill me in on reality chief. Some of your kills would be great too.

Classic! This cant get any better.

It's really funny that you are trying to sell yourself as "hardcore", when you are nothing but an average midwest cornfield hunter. Bonus points though for having a bro-mance with a dude you met on the 'net named "Elk Reaper".

It would be more classic with your bow killed pics out of your tipi setups and carrying it all back down with a MR pack.

Coues deer, I don't hunt carp... well if I get drawn for Kaibab I'll hunt carp. I used to hunt carp and killed plenty with gun and bow when I was younger.

The picture was for you perusal of an Eberlestock.

Sharing my animals with you is not teaching anything and I don't stroke on demand.

You did see my World record animal I posted earlier... 42 lazered yds right through the vitals, impressive don'cha think.

You could have belonged to this forum, pretty easy here, screwed the pooch though, an exclusive club I guess.

Kent

Your'e just grabbing at the air Calvin; but You are just an average couch potato hunter with no pics to back up anything, or none that you are proud enough to share. Let's see some bow kills above the tree line doing it the Hardcore way, since you are the man.

My most recent.. 8 days ago. My 14 year old and I stalked within 30 yards. Anthony knocked him down with one shot. Much bigger than that dink you had rugged.. Tomorrow Anthony and I will be up in alpine glassing for more bears. Something you just won't ever understand. Congratulations, you just got passed up by a 14 year old..

Love to see it though, and congrats! Killed with what? Exclusive BS is not the way I roll.

Tell the boy congrats! Hopefully he won't grow up judgmental and narrow minded like his dad...but will only happen if mom steps in. Let's see your bow kills. Guns are easy, but acceptable for the youth.

I'm refraining from commenting..

Top it

Got to go.. Have fun!

Ya I'm out also...

As a parting gift here is a trophy muley archery buck, bigger than any you have taken.... I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean, but you have a need for it I guess.

Come on dude, how old are you anyway? You know you can't kill what isn't in your state or where you hunt. How about you top these 2. What, you cry foul, cause you have neither where you live. Lol..bingo, the light bulb just turned on for you, huh Einstein?

What did that buck score? 110 B&C? Looks like a lot of deductions. What's it take to make B&C for whitetail? Tiffany sure smokes some big Iowa whitetails..... Is she hardcore?




You got me on the bird, although hunting birds never did interest me...

Easily qualifies for Pope and Young.

Really? No wonder why you guys like to bowhunt...

Hmmm, I won't say easily, squeeking in if at all. Left side is really weak, give up the numbers. Being generous I'd say, 90 inch main frame and 40 inches of net tine, unless he has an extra 8" tine I can't see on the left. That's a very generous 130 net and It could 'easily' go under the 125 min net.

Anyway, that belongs in the biggame and the archery talk belongs in the bowhunting section and I hang there a little also.

This section is about the trip and gear, good talk and fellowship. I have never seen a oneupmanship thread about animals here. Animals are great and we all want to be successful but no one here is in a competition and all trips are successful if you have a good time and get home safe.

The exclusive club is the one you now belong to, just a few over the years, those who post controversial posts to illicit a negative response. Lee24 is waiting for you...

The other reason I will not post my animals in response, is you may take them and my name to another site and say I'm your friend. Use my words to belittle someone else. I feel sorry for this Elk dude and he doesn't need enemies with supposed friends like you.

Kent

Now even the animals compare to a Eberlestock. They don't measure up..lol Yea, no problem with you not wanting to post pics you don't have, you shouldn't post animals anyway in a back pack hunting forum. This is a place to armchair and belittle guys and make fun of what their house looks like or what state a guy lives in. Very sad indeed. A little better pic for you. I am not ashamed to show my success of my bow kills in a backpack hunting forum as they are related to the section.

Speaking of those posts where I quoted the guy's comments about their dislike for the MR Crewcab, I wonder why they weren't argued with, had their homes made fun of, or what state they hunted in questioned as to their right to an opinion? Could it be that they are free willed and don't drink the "MR is the only way Kool Aid" that is dispensed by you guys? I think so. You guys should be ashamed of yourself.

Then why don't you just leave and go back to your other forum?

Come on, don't be shy {grin}

Cause I want to learn some new tactics about backpack hunting from you, cause you impress the heck out of me with your vast knowledge. Not only that, there are tons of cool guys here, and only a handful of thin skinned guys who cry and defend some pack company like it was their Mother, and then post no proof to their vast success as a backpack hunter with pics. They put a WA, Canada,AZ, NM, MT, or Alaskan address in their profile and we are supposed to bow down to them(according to their egos)because they live in a state that conjures up images of the some guy living in a log cabin and has food air lifted to him once every 3 months and the rest of the time he just hunts with his MR packs and animals fall over at the mere sight of him with his pack and then he packs the animals 26 miles back to his log cabin and fights off grizzlys and wolverines the whole way.....BUT..thanks to his MR pack, and not using anything else, he survives the ordeal. When in reality, he lives in a small town or big city, he has packed one or two animals a couple of miles at the most, and his biggest danger or risk was he got an infected hangnail after ripping it on his MR pack trying to silence the zippers.

Because he has to spread his seed over enough forums so when he gets banned from one he has another to fall into.

Better ban everyone then, as personal attacks were flown at me LONG before I retorted back to you kids

Dont worry you wont get banned here

Hardcore,

I'm sure you are a good guy really. But the reason you are getting grief here is mainly due to dogging or praising gear you haven't tried. Truth is most here can get it done with a Kelty external frame if thats all we had and I'm sure you could do the same. You choose to listen to this elk_reapers advice and thats great but doesn't mean it will work great for you or make you a better hunter like he is.

I mean if I were to go buy a Badlands Sacrafice would I be like Cameron Haines because he likes/helped design that pack?? No, and I have no desire to be him. Just because folks don't take the time to photo diary every little part of their trip and brag it up doesn't mean they don't know what they are talking about. I likely will never use a backpacking stove on 90% of my backpacking endeavors. Does that make me not hardcore because I don't camp in the trees and there is nothing to burn. Or because I can't string my moose and caribou in a tree makes me not smart??

Seriously you praise and dog packs you have not tried. You like the badlands 2200. Its a nice pack for what it is. I had a 2800 and have pics of packing a grizz out with it, but I'm not going to post it as I don't care if you believe me or not. Congrats on your whitetails all I have to my name is a little 7 point whitetail and no I didn't shoot it in AK but down in your neck of the woods and wow the terrain down there is EASY compared to up here in AK. I'd much rather walk 5 miles down there in the midwest than 1-2 miles of going from the sea to alpine in Southeast AK.

Backpack hunting different parts of the country have different requirements and needs for different gear trying to cookie cutter everyone to fit a basic mold you have in your head isn't going to work out very will. People were trying to give you honest opinions based on their personal experiences. But you don't care or disregard these because we don't post tons of pics of our adventures everytime we go out on the net.

Heck my wife and I hauled a caribou out on our backs 12 miles from the truck. Think if I would have had to leave all the gear and meat back in 12 miles just because I had to go back to the truck to get my real pack. Its just different types and styles of hunting and you can not seem to grasp that. Need different packs for different styles of hunting. Just like your SL5 would not be first choice for sheep hunting or goat hunting up here in AK.

But to call MR chit and you haven't tried it out in the field or to call say someone sucks at archery hunting and you don't know anything about them because they don't care to brag up every little thing they kill is pretty childish.

Good luck in your hunts and I am sure you will like your Blue Widow for what you have planned to do with it certainly will be better hauling than the 2200 you have right now, but I think you'll end up likely the 2200 better for day hunting though.

Dude's Whiskeyman's brother, laughing my ass off.

Well, see it did have another tine so 135 tops, where's the numbers, hell we got coues bigger than that.

Blah/Blah, show me an animal.

I said no... look around you may find some though.

Anyone else get a PM from the elk man hisself, I did.. I did... I's special...

Kent

Yeah i did too. It sucks that Hardcore came on here and used his name like that. Elk reaper is a good guy, don't let Hardcore ruin his rep. Hopefully he will post here with his insights and reviews.

Sure did. Kinda confirmed what we all thought.

Reaper is a good guy.

I sent a few PM's out..... Thought that would be a good thing to do for some of the 24 guys that have been getting my name thrown at them. This has nothing to do with me....If it did, I would be posting something informative on this thread, but I'm not, I'm posting this so everyone will know that my reviews are my reviews and they are what has worked, or not worked, for ME.

If you feel you need to bad mouth me because of "hardcore" feel free, but I would hope you would get to know me befroe you pass judgement on me. i would choose to be everyones friend on 24 and help out if I can..... That is what we all post on 24 for correct? To help out others! That is what I would like to do....bashing is not for me and I have not seen much goodcome of it.

I'm not sure why I got the "I's" special comment? Anyway, Please keep me out of all of this, I posted some reviews to help guys out on another website....No big deal.

Again, please keep me out of this thread, I will speak up myself when I feel the need.

Thanks, Hope everyone has a great season.

Ok, a little more talking with ELK and yes it really is him and he is a good guy. Thought maybe HC was pulling a fast one.

Anyway, here's an archery elk I packed out years ago with a crappy 30.00 Kelty taking five trips out, didn't know the difference.



Kent

Thanks for clearing that up and I do enjoy your pack reviews, but I think/hope most that read them understand that what you like didn't like means it did or didn't work for you and may work for someone else like you mentioned.

However, it appears some can't grasp that just because it works for you that it will work for them the same way. Good luck to you this season.

Outstanding!

I have an older model, big Jansport pack that I love. I found it in the woods in the middle of nowhere in AK about 8 years ago. It had $40 and two beers in it. That's it. It was all nasty from being out in the elements for a few seasons. I cleaned it up and I love it.

Ok, but inquiring minds want to know... how'd the beers taste...

Kent

They tasted great on the hike out..

Some guys just have all the luck... beer and gas money... all you needed was the swiss women's hiking team to show up and it would have been nirvana.

Kent

To be honest with you, it was one of the strangest things that's happened to me. Me and a buddy were hiking up a drainage brown bear hunting out of Sitka, AK. We were talking about how we'd forgot the beer. Right when we finished out beer conversation, we found the pack was sitting out in the middle of a muskeg, miles from the boat, with 2 beers in it. We looked around a bit making sure some guys remains weren't around. We didn't find anything.

Great story!

Calvin, you and Anthony have a great time tomorrow hunting, cool kid you have there.

Kent

Well, sorry if you guys think I was coming on as a know it all and talking about packs like I know it all, as I don't. I like to learn and I use these forums for research alot. There is no way an individual can go out and afford or even find these packs to try them all out. I simply posted these others guy's reviews to show that just because you guys think one way, doesn't mean the rest of the world does. Then it seemed to me that these reviews were considered to be worthless as the guys that made them weren't "Mountain men" enough for you. I guess it just seems to me that some guys have a their way or the hiway attitude and that just turns me off. I am sure you are good guys and if you are ever in IA I would enjoy sitting down and having a few beers with you. Peace.

The backpedal of all backpedals...

Who's back peddaling..you on a bike?

WTF? This thread was dead for over three weeks, and you guys somehow managed to bring it back for ten pages of arguing. This place is losing it!

This thread is better than a car wreck. It is like watching a short bus stalled on the RR tracks and the train is a chugging away with no signs of stopping.

oh... and my Crewcab finally sold but this was fun to watch

Funny 10 minute read.. some points come to mind.. Try (use) before you buy if you really want to make a fair decision. Companies that have been in business for a long time with the most expensive products on the market usually have a good reason for it. I can count on one hand how many companies I've had the opportunity to have them make good on their "lifetime" warranty claims. BadLands is one of them.

"hardcore" is always a humorously used descriptive when somebody uses it about themselves.

Calvin, great story about the two beers! 5 years ago, while loading up to hike into an area for a few days off 191, just getting ready to leave the vehicle, the "Red Bull" car drove by with 2 swimsuit chicks in it. The saw us, did a U-turn, and pulled in and passed out several cans of Red Bull. Apparently there was a whitewater rafting event farther up river that day.. Unfortunatly, no Bud Light girls awaiting us when we returned.

So what about the banjo playing bear?

More info on the importance of load lifters; ESPECIALLY for those considering a $500-600 price tag on a pack.

Badlands Packs Company comments regarding load lifters:

Being a manufacturer we usually stay out of these kinds of things, however in this case we could not stand by and watch the comments about the importance of load lifter straps and the role they play in a packs function and performance and not set the record straight. First: any pack which has a frame (internal or external) has to have load lifter straps in order to perform correctly, period. To use a metaphor, the frame of a pack is basically like a cars engine and the load lifters are the transmission and drive train. Horse power means nothing if you cannot transfer it to the road. A packs frame is designed to act as a �second spine� and in order to do that the frame must be taller than your own backbone or shoulders. The load lifters are always at the top of the frame, when they are pulled tight they basically pull the weight off of the pack wearers shoulders and transfer the weight to the frame and down to the hips. The best rule of thumb is that these load lifting straps should go from the top of the shoulder strap to the top of the pack frame at approximately a 45 degree angle, this trajectory will provide the user with an equal amount of lift and stabilization. If the load lifters are at the same height as the pack wearer�s shoulders, it becomes physically impossible to lift and transfer the load off of your back the weight can only be pulled into your body. This does nothing but create a painful amount of pressure in ones chest. This is not meant to be propaganda, however, if you go to the Bad Lands www.badlandspacks.com website and click on the button which says �down load owner�s manual� you will find diagrams and line art to support this law of physics and make it easier to understand. We do not care if you have one of our packs or not, these laws are the same for all packs. Once again there is a science behind carrying gear and the more knowledge you have concerning this science the more you will enjoy your gear and receive the maximum benefits it was designed to provide.


And Kifaru and what they say about load lifters:

"Precision Lift is the feature that allows you to adjust the angle of your lifter straps. You will see a 3-bar slider on a vertical strip of webbing connected to the frame. The lifter strap is connected to this 3-bar slider. To adjust the angle of the lifter straps, just slide this 3-bar slider up or down. We have found that a 15-30 degree angle works best."

http://forums.bowsite.com/TF/bgforums/thread.cfm?threadid=382025&messages=79&forum=5


And you may need some spices to make this taste better




And for those that say try before you judge, science is science and reviews and opinions from the sources I quoted and researched are good enough for me, and most people with common sense. I have had guys argue that they don't care what anyone says about Scentlok, they know it works and they don't care about what science says and the fact that it can't work. Well, Carbon can't be reactivated in a household dryer and facts are facts. Load lifters can't work if the lifters aren't 15 degrees or more above the shoulders. I myself don't care about carbon clothing or load lifters on pack, as I only kill small, dumb animals that can't smell and can be loaded in trucks from cornfields, but you REAL guys that do it the hard way with guns, might pay heed to the info.

Here we go again........

Nothing like going to a manufacturer for an unbiased take.

HardCoreHunter, BadLands Packs are definitely for you and all your Hardcoredness..

Happy hunting

Can you get more than a mile away from a road in Iowa?

I mean come on.. does it really matter what kind of backpack he wants?

hey!! there's skittles in there....!

Actually, I would recommend reading the Badlands owners manual, some high comedy in there.

Is that... it is... one of those Badland knockoff bino carriers that they copied from Jaret Owen's idea when they were making the pack for him and then ditched him.

Here's the real deal and made in USA.

http://www.alaskaguidecreations.com

Kent

Wonder how much backpack hunting this guys done....





Thats an old Dana Designs(now MR) Terraplain that I bought back in 1987 and I still use it today....I've put on thousands of miles with that thing strapped to my back and have never had one thing break on it....I'll be taking it along to Wyoming next week for another "hardcore hunt".....laffin!

As for rifle hunting being easy....grab one and go out and see how many Boone & Crockett Mule Deer you can kill and report back to us when your about 75. Chances are you'll still be looking for your first one.



Not shot from a treestand....160ish P&Y. I like bow hunting....but when I'm doing it I dont lower my standards for trophy quality just to say, "look what I got with my bow".

Nice bow kill Muley SS!!

BTW, anything killed with a bow is a trophy!

Bowhunting is fun - but I prefer rifle hunting. I'm not hardcore enough. I like it the easy way.

Pat, Awesome shots! When you are rifle hunting next weekend, there'll be some hardcore bowhunters nearby sitting over a bait site I saw some guys put in.. As for those Dana packs - they are nice, I sold Bryan Martin my old Astraplane, terraplane, and a MR deluxe several years back for his guides and clients to use. I realize he's no elk-reaper but he does know hunting gear and guess what he uses himself..

When this thead was going strong on Sunday.. I was suffering the pain of my messed up load lifters.. duh. I realize it's not a turkey, but the walk was a little hard with the snowshoes and some of the thick/steep stuff.

Yea, I was 5 miles back in when these pics were taken on a late season rabbit hunt

athletes hunt?

Love those gay posing full draw shots.. here's my buddy, posing last year while hunting bears with me. Totally hardcore!


whoops..


Here he is jumping over a rock.. totally cool.

I used to rifle hunt when I was "un" hardcore, but guys teased me about my vest..and since I was poor, and all I could afford was this vest, I just gave it up and joined the bow hunting guys as they weren't required to wear a vest and were OK with me using Horn Hunter, Badlands, and Erblestock packs.

"HardCore"...give it a rest.

Most of the guys you are arguing with have tried all these packs, that is why they are laughing at you.

I've had Badlands packs and Eberlestock packs. They do not carry a heavy load like a Mystery Ranch. I don't care what angle the stupid load lifters are at. Do yourself (and all of the rest of us that have to read this train wreck dribble) and try one yourself before you start telling guys who have immensly more experience "backpack" hunting than you what is best...

You may want to change your handle to "HardHeadedHunter"

Notice the quality equipment he uses HardCoreBowHunter .. Mystery Ranch backpack, Hoyt bow, Leica Ultravids, super awesome pants, Asolo boots, and Hanes briefs. There's no way you'll be able to match is totally badass awesomeness.

SteveO, we are laughing even harder at these guys. I love these 3 pack review threads. You guys should join up and set these nimrods straight!

Once you do sign up( it is easy to do)here are some thread suggestion titles you can start:

1. Why MR is the only pack that will get it done, and all others suck
2. If You hunt below treeline you are not a backpack hunter
3. Bow hunters are not real hunters and wound animals
4. Gun hunting an animal that has never seen a human in it's life with a rifle is harder then bow hunting whitetails in the midwest that know what a human is
5. Badlands Packs Suck
6. Erblestock Packs suck
7. You aren't a backpack hunter unless you go 27 miles round trip to your truck
8. Load Lifters are stupid on a pack
9. Shooting bears that have never seen a human with a rifle at 200 yds with a rifle is harder then killing one with a bow over bait

And the best top ten thread to start,
10. You guys that have done these pack reviews and have given your opinion are inexperienced morons.



http://forums.bowsite.com/TF/bgforums/thread.cfm?threadid=382025&messages=79&forum=5

http://forums.bowsite.com/TF/bgforums/thread.cfm?threadid=381371&forum=5#2951650

http://forums.bowsite.com/TF/bgforums/thread.cfm?threadid=379652&forum=5#2925876

You forgot to add "FOR ME". See this is the problem,narrow minded opinions. Obviously this is not the opinion across the board with everybody that owns or has used a MR, or there wouldn't be negative reviews and guys wouldn't sell them. To each his own. Not everybody likes the same stuff.

To say that MR is the end all to packs, is to say that Remington is the end all to firearms or that Mathews are the end all to bows. I am not narrow minded enough to believe this. All in the eye of the user.

I do know that if I spent $600 on apack and I didn't like it, I would sure hate to admit I made a bad decision and would just learn to love it. But that's just human nature.

HardcorePillowBiter, Some of us laughing at you are those who've more archery killed bone in thier garage rafters than you'll ever have in your trophy room. I just love the "bow-only" guys when they tell you how cool and hardcore they are..

First you embarrass ELKREAPER and he has to come and clear his name by distancing himself from you and Now Pat is being embarrassed by you using his site in this manner. Maybe he should take the MR banner down and cancel their sponsorship...

Kent

$$ makes one a bad ass and what gear he buys??? LMAO...Daniel Boone had none of that stuff and was truly bad ass. It is not a fashion show out there fellas, some of you must think it is though.

He's got a buttplug on his rifle barrel and doesn't realize when he's being totally made fun of. Sorry.

Money or not, you'd be hanging posters of that guy in your man-room full of turkey beards and swamper buck racks if you knew of his hardcoredness..

I think I found JM's sons real dad

Lol...embarrassed at you guys, not me. You are the ones saying ER and the other guys on that site are morons. You guys are the ones telling Pat's members that they are inexperienced morons, not me. I respect their reviews and opinions, you guys don't. Get it right.

I bet Daniel Boone had a tattoo of "HardCore" on his bicep....

If I'm ever out hunting and something like that pops out of the trees and says, "Hi there!" I'm frikkin hangin it up.. done, time to start watching football and knitting.

You know Hardcore, when you first showed up here you seemed like a pretty OK guy. Looking for information and sharing what you did with your SL5 and homemade stove. Then it was like a switch flipped and you became an arrogant pri@k.

The guys here have used gear and used it hard and they are damned well going to call someone when they see BS being spread about top notch gear like MR and Kifaru.

This whole thread has turned into real sh*t show. Makes me think of the sign at my favorite breakfast place:
"Be Nice or Leave"

hardcore, those bears you shot.. Guided hunts? Over somebody else's bait? Do tell..

Quote me...

You can't even read that post correct...

Kent

Hardchrome,

Get the [bleep] outa here! As their leader, you are giving douche bags a bad rep.

Illegal for any nonresident to hunt bear in canada with out guide: any true hardcore outdoorsman knows that.

So you are hardcore, shooting a bear over somebody else's bait site? How frikkin gay is that?

Please.....EVERYONE...leave me out of this.

I only started the thread on Bowsite to help out hunters/archers with some gear choices. I have no issue with MR/Kifaru/Badlands/Eberlestock/Crookedhorn/Sitka or any other packs on the market. I do not want [bleep] like this going on and m name in the middle of it.

Thanks and good luck this season.

Ok, I just added all my bow kills and came up with an approximate number, here it is, I've kilt, 7200...












Pounds of animals... archery.

Kent

Let me think about it










Nah. Sissies like you are too much fun to mess with. Besides that, I am waiting to hear the reaction you guys get when you go over and post those thread titles I gave you and go set those guys straight on their pack reviews.

I've no problem with folks killing bears over baits. Not my thing, but to each their own.. but to do it over somebody else's bait, then call yourself "hardcore" and ridicule guys who hunt with a rifle.. supergay..

HHH,

You read, but you do not understand.

Most guys don't start out with a MR (or Kifaru, or Barneys, or Wilderness Wanderer). They start out like you, trying to do the most with the least. Most of us, I am sure you included, want to improve ourselves and our gear. We try different stuff we read about or try things others have and upgrade. Everybody here could go back to what they feel is a lower grade pack from EXPERIENCE and actual field use.

I hunt with a bow 90% of the time, maybe more. That bow doesn't have any wheels or pulleys on it. I've taken some nice animals with those sticks, pretty much all unguided, including a nice 5 1/2 year old gnarly busted up buck the only time I hunted in your state of Iowa. As far as your list of 10, you are WAY off. They are treating you like an imbecile, because that is how you are acting. You don't get it, but there is DRIPPING sarcasm in their posts. I have always been treated with respect and dignity here--always--by the same people you seem to be having trouble with. The difference is I did not come in here telling everyone what to do and how great I am.

You did a great job on your "make a tipi cheaper than a Kifaru" thread. That was positive and had value. Your review of packs that you have not used is useless information.

You heard it from the most experienced pack man this site will ever see.., now get over there and set those guys straight on those review threads..just leave ER out of it and set the other guys straight fellas.

Somebody's got a crush..

My ass!

HardCoreHunter

I think it's time you stop, I appreciate the kind words, but you are pissing everyone off and hurting my name in the process. Everyone has their pack of choice and what they feel works best for them....that was the point I was trying to get across to everyone on the pack thread.

Again, please leave me out of this.

Show me these reviews I did. There are none. See this is where the problem lies, you guys won't accept these other guys' opinions and reviews they did. It is your way or the highway. I have not used a MR, nor have I said I did. I was called out on reviews I stated that I read, was told to produce these reviews, and when I did, everybody started crying, pouting, and name calling. They just can't accept the fact that these reviews are out there and they are farther pissed that I produced them and don't bow down to their elite backpack opinion only status. People have different needs in gear. Not all guys start out with a Badlands, and then want to better their gear choice, and buy a MR and are satisfied. It is evident with the guy that wants his name kept out and the other guys that bought and got rid of them. NR packs are great packs for some guys, not everyone.

Elk Reaper, I didn't read the pack review stuff and you probably did a fine job. But how does it feel to know this hardcorehunter guy wants to run his fingers through your hair?

Now your wishes I can respect. You are a gentleman and an expert on the topic IMO and many others. Peace out. I am done.

I have the "icky feeling".

Hardcore,

Spot and stalk blackie from here in Montana where baiting is illegal...this one is 19 2/16 P&Y. Come on out, bring your bow and all your gadgets and give a whirl...dont need a guide here either.

HCH was the only one to not see the azz whippin coming.

Especially liked the gumming he did with SS and Greenhorn ,damn near reminded me of a archery version of Maser crossed with Lee24 and a touch of oldman to boot..........Laughin

Greenys pillow biter comment had me ROTF as well.

ER, I also have not read your reviews but I bet they mirror many of us here and what we tried to say earlier to this guy. How many times do I have to say I have and still use Eberle packs and I would like to test a BW but have really just hit the end of testing for testings sake in my life.

Then be called an elitist because I have stopped at MR for now and it works for me.

Hope some time we can talk in a better environment sometime, happy trails to you.

Kent

No one whipped my azz, I just don't back down to BS. I have balls to speak my opinion, but no one here has the balls to go over in those 3 pack threads I posted and set those guys straight. It is easy to be a pussy and gang up on one guy here, but the pussys here won't go over there and set those guys straight.

Sounds like a blast and that is a dandy..congrats!

Yes....they do mirror what has been said by some of the above posts.

I have gotten over 1,500 PM's on Bowsite from people asking for help on what pack to buy for the upcoming fall season. I have sent many to Pat at Kifaru and Mark at MR. I do feel that you will not find ONE pack that will fit the bill for everything.

The Crew Cab will come close for some, but the only thing I did not like was the load lifters. I did however like the MR Bighorn as much as any pack that I have used ( for 3 day bivy trips). I also like the Kodiak/Grizzly for Mtn Goat and sheep hunts/10-14 day elk hunts. With those 2 packs it will alow me to pack all my gear or the animal back in one trip.

Please understand that these are my opinions and what I have found that works for me, if the load lifters on the CC are not a issue, then you have a multi use pack that can handle well over 200#'s.... It just was not the pack for me.

Gents,

I have read Elk Reaper's Pack Reviews. He does a great job. He shows the packs with many pictures, unloaded, and loaded. He does test runs in the field and reports his findings. Good stuff with NO opinions...the last one I saw was on that new Badlands frame pack--he loaded it up with enough weights at the gym to make about 3 of those "HardCore" cubs in the picture shown earlier in this mess. I wish he would have loaded it to the breaking point--this guy could probably strap a refrigerator on it!

Really a great tool and excellent information that has unfortunately fallen into the wrong hands...

Hard Head Hunter-

Those threads on the Bowsite are pack REVIEW threads. They present information to help people that might not be able to see/hold the pack they were thinking about purchasing. They are not there to tell anyone what pack to buy. The others participating in this incredibly humorous thread are intelligent enough to understand that.

Once again, reading is different than understanding...

Please explain how posting links to a forum that has reviews and not making any false statements or changing the context of the posts in the supplied threads have fallen into the wrong hands? Are you Pissed because the supplied links show guys making opinions about the Crewcab load lifters not being favorable, or are you pissed that I know how to read and I relayed available reviews of the pack onto this forum? Which is it? Why be pissed at the messenger, I didnt write the reviews, I just reported them. Yea, I did not back down, am I supposed to when everyone here says the reviews are junk and their opinion is the only one that matters? Not the way I roll.

Confucius say "Better to let people wonder if you idiot, rather than open mouth and confirm thought"

ELK REAPER Good review, liked it.

Kent

PG, I am on Bowsite and the fellas are waiting for all of you to set them straight. Waiting.

That right there is the problem, you are delusional and need to get the book, comprehensivereadingfordummies gold star addition. At Amazon for 14.99 right now. They have book reviews on the site... just saying...

Kent

HardCoreHunter

Nothing good will come out of what you are doing.......I can promise you this. It would be better if you chill out a little.

If you get the guys on 24 to go over to bowsite, chances are they will turn the pack thread into something it was not intended for....Just to piss you off. If I was in thier shoes, it would be hard for me not to do the same thing.

Chill out, it will help out everyone.
Thanks

I'm not pissed about anything.

Nobody here but you has anything to prove.

Each of us has found the pack we like, but will continue to keep an eye out to see if something better is out there. I've not ever seen anyone here "set those guys straight"; no agendas or forcing "this is best, you MUST use it or you are not "HardCore". I've seen good sound advice given; present company excluded of course.

Bring out some more pictures.

So let me see if I understand this - you've never used a MR backpack.. but you read some reviews, and you're arguing with people about the best choice of a backpack, arguing against one of the top models, the MR crewcab? W.T.F.

Sounds dumb.

Powerguy, I am sure you understand I was replying to HCH, don't know what it says Re:Powerguy...must be in the quick reply box.

I have tons of respect for Pat at bowsite and you for coming and getting to know us here, doubt anyone of the guys on this thread will go sabotage a good thread there.

We've dealt with his kind before, for some reason we get the best trolls. We really just try to make it fun and be sarcastic and don't let him get under our shin... can't let him run rampant though. He also should get, sarcasmfordummies at the same time to save on shipping.

Kent

Hold up a sec. We need to bring this back to the fashion show comment.

Hmmmm.......

that's totally hardcore!

Campfire must have an unusally strong magnetic field lately, it sure is attracting the loonies.

I have hunted Iowa, excellent state with some great people.However I have no idea where backpacking comes in to play.
95 percent of Iowa has roads, trails, farmers lanes, and Atv trails that you can drive fairly close to your kill. Most whitetails are thrown into the back of a pickup or on a atv within a very short distance of where they dropped.

The average walk to your treestand is under 20 minutes.
Who's trying to kid who?

Hunts in Iowa involve fannypacks or maybe a DAYPACK but as far as "hardcore Backpacking".

Some one is just looking for attention...

Dooood!!! is that an old tire leaning against that tree 5 miles in?

It's not hunt 5 miles along the road.. it's 5 mile in... as away from a road... Doh!

Kent

The ol' creek musta been runnin' pretty high.

just checked the bowsite, too much to read. Lots of funny photos.. but way too hardcore for my kind of packing.

If you were really hardcore it'd be Natty Ice and a liter of BV.....(grin)

No posing required and feel free to critique the position of everybody's load lifters.. I believe the guy on the left (toting the badlands?) is in the market for a new pack, and it's a home brew. He had to shoot a griz in selfdefense the next night.

He's seen the light.. was younger in this photo. Hardcore - I believe that one was a "thomas the train" pack. You should look into it, I'm sure there's some reviews you could reference.

Was looking through my photobucket and realized i have a few photos that somewhat attest to the use of the Mystery Ranch crewcab, and an assortment of other faulty gear. Thomas the train will do in Iowa.

By the way I have lived in NM and CO, and travel and hunt both states. Thin skinned people just can't get it through their heads that I didn't give the reviews, I just reported them.

i am sensing liar24 has reappeared...same ignorance of the written word.

Oh man.. That got me! [bleep] that's funny!!

Hey, who's arguing any reviews? Who are the thinskinned sissies? Want to see about 500 photos of animals stuffed into some wicked-cool backpack in some knarly location, the best of which are just packs laying on the ground in the dark, with blood smeared all over them and some XL antlers/horns or bundle of fur strapped in? The real deal, not stuff with pillows in a living room.

Back in the day, Bryan Martin used a Kifaru pack. Why does he use the Mystery Ranch packs nowdays.. Bryan is the owner of Canadian Mountain Outfitters and Asian Mtn Outfitters and does the gear review section for Huntin Fool magazine. He's gear obsessed. Ask him about gear and when it comes to packs he'll send you to my hometown.

Do you or do you not have an issue with those reviews being posted where other hunters have stated that they don't like the MR CC? I didn't say I didn't like it, they did....you have a problem with their opinion? They don't have a right to it? I don't have a right to report their opinions? You guys are a bunch or friggen cry babies. Probably no Harley Bikers here either, as I am one, and have never seen a biker be the pussys that some of you guys are.

Bryan doesn't bowhunt much.. so not probably hardcore enough to provide valuable input for real "hardcore" guys.

I didn't read any reviews on the crewcab and regardless don't have any problem with what anybody said because I don't need to read a review on a product I've used from 2006-2009 and packed out around 50 animals personally in. WHY WOULD I NEED TO READ A REVIEW ON IT? I could give a crap what other hunters have to say about something who've used it about 1/10 as much as me.

All this hardcore cracks me up. Lol..my buddys give me a nickname(hardcore) so 5 years ago when I join forums I use my name and add hunter to it. Greenhorn or calvin is cooler? Lol..give me a friggen break.

You must, you are pissed I brought the reviews here

I'm not pissed, just commenting on your clueless ignorance. Your friends who gave you this name are obviously sarcastic. Did you used to do gay hardcore porn, because in Iowa, there's no such thing as hardcore turkey and whitetail hunting. Trust me, you can get by with the Thomas the Train pack and they are WAY cheaper than badlands and Kifaru.

Still am an OK guy, just don't tell me I can't post reviews I have found on other sites here about a product, because I hate friggen censorship and I hate the friggen government telling me what to do, so I sure as F$%* am not going to let you guys censor me.

Is that the best you have dumbass. No hardcore turkey hunting or whitetail hunting...lol...you are a friggen idiot.

hey hardcore.. how are my loadlifters looking. Maybe somebody from badlands or Kifaru or Iowa can tell me how flawed this pack is..

I think these guys are just trying to keep you from looking like too much of an ass.

whitetails and turkeys are for women and children.

takes a lot of turkey breasts to really put a back pack to the test..

I will read reviews that I want, report on a forum of these reviews when I want to, post my opinions on what I want, and if anyone doesn't like it, pm me for me for a personal meeting, maybe you can persuade me to not speak my mind.

Ahhh... the personal threats... now we are getting somewhere... cool!

Kent

And I'm pretty sure we will all keep calling you a dumbass, when we want.

Hardcore.. You can read and share reviews all you want, type your inexperienced opinions, and speak your mind - as funny as it is. But don't expect those who know better to laugh and make fun of you.

Here's a crewcab load.. 1/2 an elk, plus the antlers. Load lifters almost killed me.

Sounds good...live and let live. We are laughing our asses off...you have provided us some great entertainment tonight. Lol...We love those reviews on BOWSITE!! They rock..great reads and great info from REAL bow hunters!! Archerytalk too...archers helping archers and getting the word out on products that work for some guys and some that don't.

real bowhunters? now that's funny stuff right there

are these real enough?

We? where's the we? Or are you one of 'those' guys that speak in the royal sense... how special for you...

Kent

Wait for it... the three does are coming...

Kent

Love that skyline camo pic..it is awesome camo. My Archerytalk page shows you were there tonight stalking my photo album and touching your privates while you looked through my pics., and copying this one and bringing it here. I am straight and have a wonderful gf, so you may try breeding the other fellas here..I am not interested. Creepy!

That really is the best photo of the day.. ULTRA-Hardcore.

Bring out the GIMP.

Do they have a camo pattern with old tires in it? You'd blend right in..

Mystery Ranch sucks! haha

2 crew cabs being loaded up..

The Dana Stillwater, basically a more convenient Terraplane was great, but not as good as the NICE option.. just my opinion, formed by use.

The NICE system is unbeatable. I do a bit of this so please show me something better please.. because I'd buy it. You might be happy with the camo-ed up Suburban, but I'll take the MRAP.

nice pics Greenhorn

Additionally, the customer service rocks. If I ever broke something on one of my packs, it would get handled. I don't know what their policy is though.. as it doesn't matter, aint no breaking tearing, busting seams or zippers with these. About the only problem I've had is figuring out how to get the blood stains off.

turkeys whitetails and antelope usually get taken out whole..

here's some archery lopes, because those are the only ones that count?




This isn't a badlands pack..


What camo pattern on this crewcab?


Last year's too lazy to bone out..

Oh come on Greenhorn. When you hunt with a Badlands, you'll be able to pack out an ungutted bear. Not one of those wimpy antelopes.

I took my NICE to the carwash sunday.. still smells a little, but it was worth it. Sorry for the firearm. I've said it before, I love to shoot bears. This was Sunday..


This was about a week and a half ago..


how are my load lifters doin?

I did that once with a frame pack and a gutted sow black bear, thankfully no photos.

How are my lifters looking on my Montana moose?

I'll stop.

If somebody wants to see what a "real" hardcore backpack hunter uses, add Bryan Martin on facebook and check out the photos. I've got gobs more, but nothing compared to him. Guess what kind of packs are laying around or loaded up in almost all picture?

Are the lifters looking okay?

For those of you with 30 minutes, this is definitely worth the watch..

SouthPark on Harley Riders

Then go to urbandictionary.com and search for the definition of "[bleep]".

Way nice pics there greenhorn. How ya like that longbow compared to the crewcab??

I know HHH is just a troll looking to get us all fired up and I admit I fell for it. But seriously man no one here actually called anything other than MR a POS. Thats what you choose to hear. If another pack works for you great enjoy it. Hope ya have fun. And in the words of the forever wise Forrest Gump "Thats all I gotta say about that"

Alaska, I've only had the longbow for about 10 months, but already prefer it over the crewcab for shorter hunts. I think if I need to go for 2 days or more, I'd jump straight to the 6500bag. Compared to the crewcab, the Longbow is lighter, simpler, faster to access and more intuitive to load properly to keep the weight centered and close to your back. You can also use the bag as a compression (antelope photo above) and cinch stuff to the frame. So far, I've used it to bring out 2 elk, a mule deer, 3 antelope, and two bears with it, not to mention just a ton of hunting/scouting. I've had it on my back 14 days since April 15th. Unless something radically new and improved comes out, it would be tough to change.. but I've said that before.

I may have mentioned this before Kurt....


You SUCK!!!


And I mean that in the nicest way possible

Wikki summs it up nicely:


Main Entry: HardcoreHunter
Pronunciation: \f�l\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English

1 : Pillowbiter

2 a :a person lacking in judgment or prudence

3 a : a harmlessly deranged person or one lacking in a common sense of understanding

4 : A Meathead of epic porportions

Kurt, Let me know when you make it to "hardcore" status.....thats when I'll start hanging with you....laffin!

When I get to town we're going pack shoppin.....

Greenhorn, I have been on multiple elk hunts and all I can say about these bulls is WOWZA.
Outstanding.......


How incredibly ironic, Your the greenhorn and the other dude is hardcore....

Greenhorn, thanks. Yeah I have the longbow and I liked the access and organization over the crewcab from what I could see so I went that route. I agree though anything over 2-3 days might as well grab the NICE 6500.

I helped haul out 6 mountain goats, a black bear, and a caribou last year. But relative to you I'm just getting started. Great pics man.

6 mountain goats?? Wow! I'd settle for one.

You guys remind me of the thin skinned Elite archery guys that pouted when Kevin Strother left Elite and started Strother Archery. I had many Elites, but because I made a small comment about how I didn't like the new Elite Judge compared to the new Strother SR-71 on the Elite forum, guys came unglued. The mods allowed personal attacks and then I made it a point to really get the word out about how much better the Strother SR-71 was over the Judge. Elite got so much bad press regarding the Judge on the 6 forums I am on and in the personal world with local friends, the president of the company wanted to meet me at the IA Deer Classic, and he did. He wished the Elite guys had not gave me a hard time over the Strother bow, cause sales were hurt and many negative reviews about the Judge were posted on numerous boards and I got the word out with my local friends. Bad advertising sucks for a company. MR's are probably nice packs, but I would never buy one now and I will make it a point to get the word out on the load lifters and the fact that guys that have owned them have a hard time selling them in the classifieds. There was another admin on another forum that was a bowtech staff advisor and he would push push Bowtech so much, and delete any negative reviews about Bowtech, that he lost his position as a staff advisor as Bowtech wanted to distance themselves from his attitude. You guys turn prospective customers off with your MR or the highway attitude. The company definitely will wish you never shoved MR down my throat.

Whoa! I don't like to get involved in these threads but... How does your head fit through the doorway being as big as it is?

Oh, and about the "it's not a fashion show" comment. Somebody beat me, but judging by some of the pics you put up it appears otherwise.

One and done, I'm outta here.

Haha! TOOL..

The funny thing is, that their are probably a 1000 "hardcore" guys out there, just like you!!

i think i will go buy an AMERICAN MADE pack from mystery ranch.

Good God!

i just got off the phone with Ben at mystery ranch and there is a brand new big sky heading my way.... thanks for the spur hhh.

Isn't that just another way of saying "The Eastman way?"

Now we have entered into the blackmail stage...This is really getting hilarious.. God I love the internet...You cant beat entertainment like this..

Nothing but pure class.....

"Probably no Harley Bikers here either, as I am one, and have never seen a biker be the pussys that some of you guys are."

For sure my favorite line of the entire thread.

+1

Ordering a DragonSlayer today!!

Dude's as stupid with his archery talk as he is backpacking gear... I don't care what bow you shoot either... as soon as you say bow brand X is better than bow brand Y then I know you're a wanna'be again. All packs will work just adjust your load limitations accordingly... all bows will hunt just adjust your yardage limitations accordingly.

Kent

Dog-gone Greenhorn! I wish I had been on as many trips as you had. I'm green with envy. Way to go for living the dream.

Have to admit, the harley stuff got me laughing too. Last night couldn't help but to browse on his photobucket account and see he's got a harley tatto on his arm, a monster truck, and a baby blue fatboy.

We Todd did. Sofa King we Todd did.

Ironic...

'Hardcore' comes to teach and a 'Greenhorn' schools him.

Waaana'bees, give themselves tough sounding names... BTDT guys would rather stay under the radar.

I love irony...

Kent

Elk Reaper-

Thanks for stepping in here. I happen to like your reviews. 200 pounds as a test weight - heck, sounds like someone is planning to pack in a fair sized woman papoose style for warmth in a winter camp....

Seriously, for what it's worth, I don't think MR pitches their Crewcab as a heavy hauler. I have talked to them a few times, and for heavy loads they recommend the Kodiak or Grizzly for internal frame, or for more than occassional very heavy loads, recommend the Nice Frame 6500.

I am no expert on packs, but I do know what can make life miserable thanks to Uncle Sam. A one size fits all ALICE pack is something out of the Spanish inquisition for taller and bigger guys, a pair of old GI issue leather boots does not cut it for mountain ops, and a floorless 2 man pup tent (one shelter half per guy) does nothing to protect one from nature. That was back in the 70's and early 80's when the procurement system was run by the accounting version of the Marquis de Sade.

If you've done anything here, Jag-Off, its been promoting MR.....as anyone would be able to see getting advice from a tool like you would surely be bogus.

You are the epitome of "a legend in your own mind"

I like my mystery ranch. I tried the CC and think it's very neat and great for 75% of the situations. The CC is now my turkey rig. That said, I LOVE my 6500 and carry it period now for elk hunting. It be the scheit.

Out of our 4 person elk group, we had my 6500, an EB, a kifaru and an osprey. All the equipment worked just fine. While not experienced as some, we score over 50% year in and year out on our bull elk tags and I think our success has less to do with equipment and more to do with just doing it and humping it.

Cheers.

This thread cracks me up!




13 or 14" monster whacked in half in the nice part of the badlands and in a Badlands.
Not recommended.....(grin)

WOW greenhorn those pics are impressive. I wish I knew about this site when I was looking at purchasing a backpack. Instead I read reviews from mainstream guys that made comments about backpacks when they really had no idea what they were talking about.

Since becoming a member here I have realized this site has the best members for "real" advice on backpacking gear.

Thirty five page thread refering to a classified thread...You just can't help but read it....Now that I'm done all I have to say is can't you girls just keep this on Facebook or something...

Been away from the 'fire' for a few days and I see everyone has been having fun without me! Hmmm... SoftCoreHumper... great info you have shared here, I will file that away when I decide to "Core Out". I was actually at Mystery Ranch this week and was talking with Mark. I was commenting on my confusion about people not liking the angle of the dangle on the load lifters on the NICE/Crewcab. It has been my observation that some folks feel they need to be magic and make a 90 lb load feel like 40... I went ahead and gave him my super duper idea of placing helium filled bladders in side pockets, I believe this will the hot ticket in the future. I had an Eberle fall apart, plain and simple... When I was going to send it in to get fixed I was told they would fix it for a price. This has been hashed out on another thread. I got an offer to replace it from the owner if I would send it in. Fine offer, but already had posted that I dumped boat gas on it and set it to flames, didn't burn worth a hell either.
I think the reason you are getting so much crap is you have stepped into a forum to learn, but have spent most of your time handing out advice. If I went to the turkey hunting forum I would stick to asking questions about most topics there. I personally have only killed two of them, one with a broom stick and another with a nailgun (actually I was roofing a barn and killed him with a roofing staple, but you get the point).
I would never go to one of those forums and act like a no-it-all by re-posting what SoftCoreHumper has said. I might ask something like, "heard someone complain about load lifters on the Crewcab, anyone use the Crewcab and have any input?" Might learn something, just a thought... Best of luck... and thanks for the 20 minute laugh.

I'll be sure and add "Load Lifter Angle" to the next "Things I've Learned on the Campfire" thread.



I'll be over here sharpening my Genuine Mastadon Ass-Bone Handled Ingrahms...

It's almost as important as your rifle weighing 7lbs instead of 8lbs.

Dan,
Gotta remember it is the "Angle of the Dangle" that really matters. Sometimes I get mine hang'n to the right and it makes me walk a little crooked and ultimately in a big circle. I personally like to Dangle to just left of center, my right leg is a little shorter than the left and this really helps keep me going straight. Since I have installed load lifters in my Kirkland undies I have found near Haines performance out of them. You can get this little unit from Fantacy for Adults down on Main Street in Missoula. They don't have snow camo, but if you eat enough freeze dried food with prune juice they will take on a snow camo look after one season.
Greeny,
6 lbs 15.4 ounces, just took my finger nail file to talley's and whittled them down .6 of an ounce!
Peace Out Brotha's

Wow, looks like some guys here can't handle other peoples opinions or other guys reviews. I had a crew cab and I ditched it. I didn't like it either. I prefer the Kifaru packs, but who cares. Some guys don't like them either. Lol..Hardcore..when those guys start paying your bills and buying your packs, then I would worry about them and their childish attacks. Love your sig..especially the DOWNSIZE ALL GOVERNMENT

Looks like "hardcore" decided to re-register.

Hmmmm... something mighty fishy going on here...




Hmmm... I'm not a detective, but have pinch hit when they were too lazy to get out of bed. Lets see here, last log in 4:59 for HardCoreHunter... then JoeFine pops up out of nowhere to chime in 6 minutes later, wow, that is a kawinkydink. Sorry if we hurt some feelers, you don't have to go change your name, we were just joking around. If you are gonna hang on this forum you gotta get some thicker skin, ask Wyo, now that guy has been called some names! Happy hunting, Casey

PS I have one of Wyo's tents, it is hardcore, never owned any of the other makes of tipis, but I could post some reviews if need, oops, there I go again being a jerk. I will quit.

PSS If you "ditched" your CC, please tell us why? Maybe we can all learn something from your experience and it will help us from having a failure in the woods. I am sure you used it extensively before coming to your desciding to ditch it.

really, more to come...

DOH!!!!!!! Busted Again....

Doh! Ovis hunter, I thought you used to be a detective?
http://forums.bowsite.com/tf/bgforu...threadid=382873&MESSAGES=61&FF=5

Lol..thanks, I agree.

Talking to yourself (and getting responses) is one of the first signs of early on-set dementia isn't it?

Uh OH..the sky is falling and these guy's opinions are wrong!! More negative comments about MR's. How dare they not be happy with the MR's, and voice their opinions...and further more...how dare us read these reviews, relay their opinions to other fellas, and use these reviews to determine how we spend our money??!! I prefer censorship. Lol.

I'm sure I could find something negative to say about a Vectronix rangefinder or a Schmidt & Bender riflescope but the fact is I just can't afford them. Wish I could. However, I can afford whatever backpack I want.. which is nice.

hey hardcore.. did you read that review linked in above before even making your moronic reply?

Looks like he spent all his money pimping out that sweet truck in his Avatar. 27 cases of camo spray paint is spendy.

Maybe he sold the doors to buy the paint?

Haha!

TFF!

Stay away from the Bowsite, hardrcore is picking fights there.

Yeah, Ovis, I give you an A in creativity.

But i may need some more elaboration on prune juice making snow camo.


Maybe I should go tell all the guys on the Sniper Rifle thread that we need some help over here

From Elk Reaper:


One hundred pounds of boned out meat, that would be all three of your fawns boned out and a six pack of Rockstar, the prefered beverage of all HardCoreHunters world wide. BTW, my daughter thought your photo with the 3 does was a little childish and lame there macho man.

From Glen, owner of Eberle

Well, I ate my pack... was told that there would be a fee to fix it, guessing the customer service rep figured an outfitter or guide didn't constitute normal use. Can companies make mistakes, hell yes. I was offered a replacement pack if I sent mine in, only after I had posted I lit the piece of crap on fire. Hmmm... guess that solves that problem. I stayed pretty damn polite and quiet, didn't want to make too many waves when Glen posted, but your alligator mouth and bashing is ridiculous, especially when you don't know shlt from shineola!
None of us here profess knowing everything, that is why I read way more than I post, just saying we know a boat load more than someone who is talking about how heavy a "big old bird" is to haul out of the hundred acres woods.


I think the Reaper sums it up best so I will give him the parting words...

From Elk Reaper

Yea, and I saw this one too. Sounds like he likes them both, and says both aren't the most comfortable pack. Whoppie. The load lifters still are not functional on the Crewcab, and nothing you post or any name calling can change it.

A Mystery Ranch rep got a hold of me concerned with the negativity and bad repore from me that is going on. He is obviously not happy with thousands of prospective customers reading my posts. My reply:

Sometimes a company's customers can be their worst enemy and turn people against a company's products, because of the way their customers behave in public. My way or the highway people, turn me off, and when personal attacks are thrown out, and people are censored with reviews or opinions. MR's worst advertising ,are the nimrods on 24 hr, and the mods that allow their behavior. Makes your company look bad, and turns many of us off. I don't want a product forced on me. Makes me go out and show why it isn't the best, and spread the word. I spend a lot of money on gear a year, try and buy lots of products, and buy the best. Because of your customers on 24 hr, I wouldn't even consider buying a MR product now.

SBS.....(short bus syndrome)


p.s. i have bought 2 MR big sky packs this week. one multicam and one od green. spew your bullshit elsewhere. [bleep]

Hardcore has gone from just being a clueless wannabe, to being a giant dumbphuck.

The worst part is, he had shut the [bleep] up for almost a week until SOMEONE had to go and stir up all the drama again. Let this stupid thing (and Hardcorehunter) die already!

HardCoreHunter

The rep was probably trying to see what issues you had with Mystery Ranch....That is good buisness and a company that is looking out for their customers.

Do you have any first hand knowledge of something actually breaking on a MR pack? Have you packed out ANY type of big game animal for 3+ miles and had a pack break on you half way back to the trail head? Have you ever used a MR pack? Have you ever packed out over 100+ pounds in anything?

I think if you answer those questions....you will find out why most people are passionate and defensive about the Mystery Ranch packs.

They are as tough of a pack as you can get......and this is not coming from a Mystery Ranch "leg humper", It's coming from a pack whore that has broken just about every pack on the market and some when I was several miles back into the wilderness.

So PLEASE....stop the negative stuff

Man I need to get an MR bighorn ordered, thanks for the reminder HCH.

I got one a few weeks back and love it. I can totally see why everybody digs MR.

Hey, if you MR guys are reading this, don't think that Hardcore is bad for business(if what he said is true), nobody cares what he says. I am going to order a Dragon slayer soon.

I've wanted a MR Bighorn for a while now - every review from those that owned them and the reviews here do nothing but confirm that the pack is quality through and through. A good friend purchased an MR Wolfpack/NICE frame setup, and I have to say it was one of the best packs I've seen in a long time.

A lot of money, yes - but a quality product deserving of the praise it receives.

Nothing in this post so far has changed my mind that a Bighorn is not in my future sometime soon.

NXP

Reaper, you rock my man! Good on ya for have the intestinal fortitude to call'm like you see'm. Casey

No, never said they did break. They get many negative comments about the load lifters, and not just from you. Go back and see what got these guys all riled up. Me posting your quotes and other's quotes. I never claimed these broke or that I had ever used one. I just reported info on the net. Then guys attack the way you keep house, or what animals I kill...WTF? Let the MR product speak for itself...no one is going to force feed me BS or call me names...lol...that doesn't fly with me, and a MR rep getting in contact with me today, wishes these guys never tried to tell me how to act or what to say either. He knew what was up when he pmed me. If you or others don't want your info reposted, I suggest to not post it in the 1st place. I hate censorship..period...and those that can't handle people's reviews on MR packs being reposted so that others can make intelligent purchasing decisionsI try to keep my packs at 70# or lower. To the guys that think they know it all about Iowa and where I hunt, we have miles and miles of river systems that are public hunting. The only problem, is that most are only accessible if let off at a bridge, and the next bridge may be 10-12 miles ahead, with no way to get to roads on the way, unless you trespass through a guys property, which isn't an option for me. So, we that choose to do my type of hunting, have long walks and most of it is steep graded ridges. My last NM elk was a cakewalk hunting that land, compared to most of the timbers on the river I hunt in IA. Maybe I am lucky, no pack breaks, other then zipper tabs on one of my Badlands. I have used a Cabelas Alaskan frame and have had excellent results with it, so have thousands of others, as well as the guys that really like the Kelty Catch Hauler. You yourself say you really like the Blue Widow and that it will hold up to anything a guy can carry, and that durability is NEVER an issue with a Eberlstock. So why should I or anyone else buy a MR?

Alright guys, DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!!!

I know it's hard cause he is an easy target and says dumb stuff(really really dumb stuff). Just let this go away, away, away

Talking out of your ass about a product that you have never used, that is what has gotten guys riled up....Cherry picking quotes (which you have misinterpreted; due to poor reading comprehension I'm thinking) to suit your agenda, that is what has gotten your ass handed to you here.

Not many folks here will put up with someone bitching about a product they've never used.....

I hope mystery ranch sues hardcore hunter. That would be hilarious!

Oh come on.. A "hardcore hunter" from Iowa doesn't come along everyday! Let us have our fun...

Go back and click on all of the links,the negative reviews are there, read the quotes and you will see no misinterpretation or poor reading comprehension...you are the one talking out of your ass.

lol..your very post was hillarious!! I love it; you think they are concerned about you guys affecting their product? I do.

I have a CC and a 6500 and love them. I have over 30 years in the outdoor industry and I have collected more than a few packs in that time - tools of the trade - and I chose MR and have never been disappointed.
I was raised in the midwest before moving to the mountains over 30 years ago and I know Hardcore is really not typical of the good folks I knew back there. Damn shame.

I have.....hence the post....

Hell, Reaper even had to come over and sign up to try to get you to shut your pie hole about stuff you have no clue about (which, I'll admit was funny, and says mountains about his character, looks like he's a good guy and you could take a lesson from him).

But do carry on, its been awhile since anyone with your level of idiocy has been posting....Probably the last would of been OldDouche1492.....Nicely done, to have put yourself in such lofty company, so quickly.

Congratulations?

"I try to keep my packs at 70# or lower."

Sounds like a politician... how about just lower. if you had ever put 70lbs in a pack you would have called the paparazzi and had a photo shoot... hell you have pictures of full draw you jerk too.

Can't abide a liar... or a window licker... or a politician...

Kent

He has to stuff his backpack with pillows for those poses he likes to do.. Funny stuff!

Mystery Ranch Crew Cab; negative reviews about load lifters. Mystery Ranch Long bow negative reviews about the load lifters.
Hmmm...I just googled Mystery Ranch crew cab negative reviews on load lifters and this thread is the 1st thing to come up when a guy is looking for info on the Mystery Ranch Crew Cab load lifters. Probably makes the company proud of you girls. Lol..the more it posts, the more it comes up.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Mystery+Ranch+Crew+Cab%3B+negative+reviews+about+load+lifters.&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Who is going to type that exact sentence into Google?

I think i like feeding the troll, its better then watching stupid hunting shows.

They'll get some popcorn, enjoy the show and go buy a longbow.

Kent

Fitting of the gossip that goes on in granny's sewing circle.

Making comments on something you have no first hand knowledge of makes your views incredible. Backing up your uninformed views with high pitched false bravado is is far from hard core; it's downright pitiful.

Crew cab, Mystery Ranch Crew cab, Long bow, Mystery Ranch Long bow. Testing, 1, 2, 3

You'll get more google hits if you add Nice frame to the list.. just say'n...

Kent

Jeeze, not even an adequate Troll...

Here's the Master troll... study up grasshopper.

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/3497104/1

Kent

HardCore,
Seriously my friend, you are missing the point. No one has a problem with someone not liking the design of something that MR has done, as long as they are the person who used and tested and are sharing their opinion, and that opinion is based on use. Going back and reading from the start of this post it appears you are making the claim of experience with the pack, not repeating what you have read some where else.
I am not into keeping score, but I believe that is something that is super important to you. I will be 40 this summer, I'm somewhere between a young pup and an old dog, feel like both at times. I was 9 years old when I had my first pack on with elk meat in it, an aluminum framed thing that my dad cobbled together for me. Since that time I have been part of hauling out around 75. I have guided and taken moose from Montana, Canada and Alaska, probably in the 25 range. Can't really guess how many deer and 7 bighorn sheep, well over 100 bears, a couple griz, but seriously I have never killed a turkey. Have run trap line with a friend in Alaska...wolves, wolverine, fox, lynx, you get the picture. I have strapped a ton of different critters on pack frames, boat motors, 55 gal drums, boat gas, woodstoves, you name it we have tried to haul it at one time or another.
This entire thread runs way deeper that a pack design, it comes down to respect. I know you think you DESERVE respect, but you need to earn it, and sir I will tell you that you have not earned it. I have guided around 200 hunters. I have had the pleasure of sharing campfires, tents and long truck rides with some great folks and some not so great ones too.
I know this gonna piss ya off big time, but frankly I don't care. You are what we call Porky Adams. Porky is a fictional person that we made up at my outfitting camp, in short Porky is Chuck Adams' fat older brother who can't get it done but sure as hell likes to talk like he can.
When I was on the phone with a fella or trading emails, if they rattled on all about their accomplishments or "how they'd do it" I knew we needed to be ready for another Porky. Porky would show up, tell us how he had read on the net', in a book or watched a video and we were not doing it right. They would go into our bait, throw out some magic potion that they bought online to bring in the big one and when a bear had come in, that in fact had been showing up for three weeks before they got there, Porky would take credit for the success of the hunt. When he gut shot a bear he would never fess up and me and my guides would end up out the bush with our lab blood trailing for hours and miles then hear from him how it was a "perfect hit".
Porky is the fella that sits around the campfire and chimes in with "I wish I was there" when someone talks about a bear charge, three days stuck in a tent on a mountain top sheep hunting, 72 below on a trap line busted through rot ice on a with your sled, etc... when really, Porky knows he doesn't want to be there. Deep down when he looks in the mirror he knows he would just dribble down the side of his leg when the bear charged, cried the blues for being stuck in the tent, and would have never stepped off the plane in the middle of the Wrangells in January. Worse yet, Porky may actually believe he wants to be there but he has done nothing in his life to make it happen.
The real deal would just sit there and grin, thinknig about how he was glad he wasn't stuck there at that moment, but knows that is part of the deal sometimes. I have seen cops come and go in 17 years, these rookies that listen to events that involve someone getting shot, hung, stabbed or turned inside out and the blowhards will fire away with the "wish I was there" or the "I woulda shot the fugger." These are the guys I have seen last a year, sometimes less, sometimes more but they always move on.
This has nothing to do with packs, load lifters or pack durability and has everything to do with your monster inflated ego. I reccomend you go put in for an unlimitted area sheep tag in Montana. There are couple to choose from, but I think you are Beartooth type man, go with that. Go tramp around at 9000 feet for a bit with your gear, do that a for 100 days, yeah a 100 days then get back with us. Doing 10 day hunts you will have 10 years to iron out some problems, there are gents on here that have beeing doing that for 2 or 3 times longer than that.
You go out with a tipi for a sleep over and post away like you have a lifetime of experience. Normally I would encourage someone and compliment them, but dude you need a reality check.
I honestly wish you the best, I really do. I think you change the "why" and you would really enjoy hunting a lot more. Go out and enjoy hunting, packing and getting outside for YOU, drop the ego and need to show how tough you are. Best Wishes and Happy Hunting, Casey

PS Drop the Bromance with Reaper, just got a PM from him and he may have to seek a restraining order. I am headed to MR this next week and in your honor will buy another NICE frame and pack.

Hey HardCoreHunter,

How many 8 lb. bottle jacks would you be able to fit and carry in your pack of choice?

Porky Adams, now thats funny. I realized from this thread that compared to some of you guys, i don't have that much hardcore hunting experience. But most of you are old farts, at least i am still young .

No....it lets anyone that reads it know what a tool you are...the only ones spewing negative comments about the product are you and your imaginary friend.

Greeny,
Never was in detectives, never could figure out how to get a windsor in my tie, so they just promoted me to Sgt and kept me on the street for a few more years. I am now a dayshift supervisor taking care of the bike patrol, SRO's and parks along with some other fun stuff. 3 more years and I am retiring and gonna go back to guiding, maybe be a grunt for B.M.

Here is the little "half curl" ovishunter. I asked him how he felt about the load lifters. He felt his Fieldline pack with the hydration pocket used to carry his biggame approved squirrel slay'n gopher blasting chipmonk stomp'n .22 was the real deal and all us MR guys are full of it.

Great commentary. Info on me, totally wrong, and to even pretend you know anything about me, or some other stranger on the net, makes me wonder where you could get such a big head. Maybe because you are a cop. I despise cops though too. Guys that have been pushed around all of their life, then give them a badge, and Mr Authority kicks in. You know nothing about me, where I have been, lived, what I have done, or what course my shoes take me daily; nor,am I going to sit here and rattle on about my life to you. I am not your friend, so don't call me one. Unlike you and some others here, I don't kiss ass or pretend to be someone, in order to go with the flow of what others are doing, or their way of thinking. Some of Your hunts differ from mine in location only and animals hunted. I am not going to go on and on about my outdoor adventures here, or rattle off my resume. It is quite extensive. I sure don't want to hear your resume either. I do know right from wrong and I do know good manners. You and others here, don't. Now if ER wants to kiss ass with you guys, that is his bed to sleep in. Personally, I don't understand why any bunch of guys that attacked my reviews and the way I keep house, even deserve it. Maybe the pack companies, freebies, and dealings financially will better him if he gets along with you guys. I don't care, and if you notice, I haven't been on here posting and telling him how to behave or what to say. He is his own man, I am too, so I don't need him or anyone here telling me how to behave. I just quoted his reviews, it pissed you guys off so much, you attacked him, so I made it a point to say he was the most educated back packer this site has ever seen. No one knows who is, who cares, but it sure hurt you guy's egos.

although hardcore hunter is off to a good start, I don't think he'll ever be a master troll like lee24..

You're probably right. But, HC seems to be very proud of his ability to bait people, so while not a master troll, he is a self professed master baiter.

The thing that makes guys like hardcore so funny is that they are true believers in the very things that make them hilarious..

He is true believer in that little world he's created.

Like this statement:



No difference in sticking a muskrat on an Iowa river bed versus chasing a elk or sheep in the rockies and hauling them out. I am sure Ovishunter is feeling duly chastised about now.

Maybe hardcore should come out here to Montana and give these unlimited bighorns a go....maybe he'll try to school me on that...

You can't answer my question, can you Hardcore?

Liars get all bent out of shape when their deception is exposed... funny how it's the same thing everytime.

Kent

I'm not kissing anyones butt.....AND I PAID FOR MY PACKS. Talk about making false accusations!!!

Why do you think I joined 24? It was because you were bashing a companies packs that I was using and throwing reviews of mine in hunters faces that have done more then 20 guys put together and with no knowledge of your own.

If you only pack out 70#'s at a time...Well....We are talking about 2 diff ways of hunting. Do the math

280 lbs of gear/meat/ and cape and head

5 miles in the wilderness

I think that is about a 35 mile day (roughly)

I'm just saying,,,,,I have done it a few times and I'm a 120-140 pound guy(pack weight)

What type of guy are? you prolly have no idea what type of packing guy you are.....you need to do it a few times to know!

I like all the companies packs and I think they all serve a purpose, but they will not work for everyone...Badlands/Kifaru/Eberlestock/Sitka/Mystery Ranch/Black-Creek and many others have been brought up in my threads and not one negative thing had gone on until you got involved! BE PROUD and STAND STRONG

But you will be standing alone

Hmmm... so be it. Best of luck to you. You are the one who started posting all the photos of your kills and challenging folks on what they have hunted and taken. Guess we have decided to go a different direction now. Truly, wish you all the best, no reason having fighting words, sorry you are butt hurt. I think you are missing the point, if I planned on hunting the Iowa and wanted to improve my odds on killing a whitetail buck or getting a stud long beard then you would be one of the fellas that I would go pull posts on. I imagine that is your area of expertise, not mine. At this point, I give up and realize that you are so pissed you can't see what folks were trying to say. I guess we aren't friends... BTW Traded PM's with Aoron, might get a chance to hunt Colorado with him and he is looking at coming up here to Montana, maybe do some pack testing, do owe you for that introduction, thanks.

Facebook girls.....Facebook please

Scenarshooter,
You are one of the fellas I was thinking of. I have a ton a respect for a lot of the crew here. So much good info is shared, like the pointers you have shared on the unlimitted areas with me. That is blood, sweat, gas money and years of time saved because of info shared. I would never repeat what you have told me in another thread or try to act like it was something that I garnered from hard work. Which I have been gonna send you a pm with some questions.
I feel like I am pretty well rounded in the mountains, but I know there is always a man that can save me a headache, crash or failure through them sharing their past experience.

PS Facebook? Did I miss something?

Higbean and three others like this.

Highbeam, I think I just pissed myself... LMAO!

Higbean became a fan of HardCoreHunter.

ovis, awesome pick! Just in from hunting, had an angry sow giving us the growl. Here's a shot from last night. This punk's got a sweet load lifter..

ElkReaper, which pack is the extreme champion of carrying massive amounts of booze? I've only tried this hardcore stunt a couple of times, using a NICE frame, with an assortment of bags. It worked flawlessly, regardless of load lifters. Are there other booze-hauling monsters out there that will exceed the MR's authority in this area? Will a 16 gallon keg fit into the 6500 or will it require the Gigantor?

How about this.. next guy to paste a picture of a freshly killed (June 2nd or later) big game animal in a pack -- wins. My guess is it will be my pack. Go!

Guy I took hunting today is on his way to buy a NICE frame..

I'm game.. No dinks tough!

I'm in...

[quote=Greenhorn]ElkReaper, which pack is the extreme champion of carrying massive amounts of booze? I've only tried this hardcore stunt a couple of times, using a NICE frame, with an assortment of bags. It worked flawlessly, regardless of load lifters. Are there other booze-hauling monsters out there that will exceed the MR's authority in this area? Will a 16 gallon keg fit into the 6500 or will it require the Gigantor?

Greenhorn

During my testing, I was able to get 1 fat chick and 3 cases of beer in the 6500. It is holding up well and I hope I can use the pic of the fat chick for your "big game " hunting contest.....I'm in Colorado and have no bear season going on.

Dude you know you don't drink , don't like alcohol, and sure as a hell aren't going to carry it for someone, so why go do you want to "pretend" you do in order to impress these guys? Stand for something or you will fall for anything Bro.

It was a joke....Do you really think I packed 3 cases of bear and a fat chick?

TER, TFF!!

Back to the original content of this thread. You say you are a 120-140# carrying guy. You state the load lifters on the crew cab are not where they should be. You say the long bow's suspension is shot at 50-60 #. Now all of the threads content has gone to the NICE frame with everybody's rave reviews of the MR packs. Bottom line, you state that the Eberlestock Blue widow will carry any load a man is willing to carry in it, and you also state that durability is never an issue with a Eberlestock pack. So tell us prospective buyers what we have to gain by buying a Crewcab or long bow pack, when it appears that everyone is using a NICE frame to carry these MR packs. Why not a Kelty catch hauler or a Cabelas Alaskan frame? Thousands of very happy customers use these. Sounds like the MR packs are not being used much without the NICE frame. I didn't know that the NICE frame was ever in question here..it was whether the load lifters on a crewcab were at the wrong angle. Then guys started saying that the MR packs don't need load lifters. Then I produce info from Kifaru and Badlands and they say load lifters are important. Who is right? Tell me why I should spend twice as much money for a MR crewcab or a long bow, when it looks like you have to have the NICE frame to make these packs usable for your 120-140 # 35 mile hauls.

Also tell me why I need to buy something and use it to determine whether or not the load lifters are at the right angle or whether the pack's suspension is shot at 50-60#, BEFORE I have the right to comment about the pack. Your word, or opinion is not good enough,the other guys that have stated the same on Archerytalk and Bowsite...plus Kifaru and Badlands know nothing about proper load lifter placement. I can't bash or make an opinion about this info? Give me a break. I don't need to know that a Ford Pinto blows up when it is hit from the rear due to poor gas tank placement. Reviews are good enough for me.

I do stand for many things

1) The "don't use my reviews for you own agenda" campaign

2) The "you need to use it before you bash it" campaign

3) The "lets stop this thread soon" campaign

You should go over and read my reviews again.....I posted that the Longbow was good to about 60#'s and then the comfort level drops, but the nice 6500 can handle any load with good comfort.

Don't start trying to turn things around in you favor again.

I'm guessing the MR crew has a good laugh at this each morning over coffee.....and then back to fillin' orders!

So you have to have a NICE frame in order to use a MR pack..I got it.More money to get the job done.

Do you have any idea about mystery ranch packs? Have you looked at their website? Have you seen one in person? This post shows you have no idea what you are talking about. Your opinion means nothing when you know nothing.

Yea, I saw where you changed "shot at 50-60" to "comfort level gone" Same meaning but more sugar coated

Could you or someone just answer that post?

Everytime you post your integrity deteriorates more and more....give it up.

anyone?

WOW....I think that is you turning my words to help your own agenda....AGAIN. I will work on typing the EXACT same thing every time.

Back to your question about the packs. If you can't understand my reviews and don't like them....Sorry, but I did my best to keep them informative and positive...for ALL pack companies. You just did not like it when I posted good reviews on MR. Sorry that my review did not fit your agenda, maybe you should go get all of the packs like I did and try them out for yourself and make your own opinions, it would be better then repeating things that you have overheard.

Read my review!! I did answer it. It just was not what you wanted to hear.

ER, I don't care what you say positive or negative about any pack company, let alone MR. You put the info out there, I changed no words, just quoted you and other people's reviews regarding the load lifters on Crewcabs and how unhappy you and other people that owned them are or were till they sold it. Like I stated, don't put it out there if you don't want people to read it. If you have changed your mind, are willing to put up wit the wrong load lifter placement on MR packs, and now they are the best thing since sliced bread for you, I don't care. But why not answer my question a few posts up?

Another question, you sold your Crewcab as it wasn't what you liked and of course the load lifter placement on the pack was substandard for you. Now that you own a NICE frame, any plans on buying another crewcab and using the NICE frame to carry it?

I think if you look at the reviews and pics, you will see that the Nice 6500 is the pack I will be using for load hauling......Like I said...read the reviews.

As far as the CC, like I said before, it was not my pack of choice and I like the 6500 much better for load hauling. AGAIN, READ THE REVIEWS.

Harcore,
The NICE frame is set up to use a number of different packs. In a minute's time I can pull my Longbow off, strap the Crewcab on or switch out to the a 6500, 7500, Wolf Alpha... or a Loadsling... or one of the Medic packs or a military radio pack. Then there are severel series of internal framed packs with the frame built into that single pack and can't be switched out. Totally different design, go check out www.mysteryranch.com I think you will see what I am sharing with you and it'll make perfect sense.
I can total understand Elk Reaper's call on the Longbow, I own one. If you load the pack itself with 120 lbs it is beyond what it specifally was designed for and most likely move the load away from your body, of course producing more leverage and torque on frame and your body. The Longbow is in their "light and fast" category and kicks but using it for that. The length of the body of the pack will restrict load distribution, with a 6500 you can more evenly spread the weight the length of your back.
If you are using a Longbow, or any of the packs on the NICE frame for that matter, you can pop the pack free from the frame, use a sling or game bags, you can load the holy hell out of the frame and put clothes sleeping bag etc... into the Longbow and use the longer straps to still secure the bag to the frame. I don't think Reaper ever said anything bad about the NICE suspension/frame, but maybe I missed it, he has a ton of reviews written over at Bowsite and I surely haven't read all of them.
If you are curious you can search Longbow or Crewcab on the Fire and there are a number of pics with the bag disconected from the frame and loads attached to the frame.
Here's the pack fastened down to the frame,


Here a couple with meat strapped to the frame and the bag attached with the straps extended. If you look closely you can see there is a large gusset along the top of the bag that the frame nestles into when attached to the frame. The top photo the bag is completely empty and collapsed down. The bottom one he obviously has clothing, tent and sleeping back stuffed in there. Photos compliments Kurt Racicot. This is a NICE frame and Longbow Hybrid pack that Kurt and Seacat were playing with.





If you really want to put your hands on one, send me your address and I will send you an old bag I have and you can check it out. All you need is a NICE frame and you can go load the hell out of it and tell us what you think.

How would one use a CC without a NICE frame?

Whitetail,
You are correct, unless I suppose you wanted to try to strap it some other pack system. I don't think Hardcore realized that the two go together in the fashion that they do. For those who are curious, here is a short video of a Longbow being put on a nice frame, sums it all up in short order...
NICE frame and Longbow pack video

ovishunter

The thing that "HardCorHunter" is ranting about is my comment about the load lifters on the Crew Cab. I posted in my review that I like the load lifters at a higher angle and I would not choose the CC for a specific load hauling pack. That is what this whole thing is about.

He has failed to understand anything else I have posted and does not understand that the comment I maid about the CC is MY OPINION and not the gospel. That is just my own preference on load hauling packs. Maybe he should come up with his own opinions and that would stop all of this.

ER, if it was just your opinion that the load lifters on the CC were at the wrong angle for a load hauler, that could be written off as just one guy...BUT, we know that there are many that feel this way and I posted their comments regarding this too. It is just a simple fact that they are less then ideal. No one is ranting, I am just smart enough to know this and you can't piss down my back and tell me it is raining. Now we All know that load lifters are important as to how a load feels and carries. Some of you have chosen not to care about it and just deal with it because you like the MR quality. Good enough. Thanks for the info and offer ovishunter.

Stunning, given the amount of research claimed...

Now that I know my backback is worthless and flawed (a ford pinto), I might just have to toss it and buy a different kind. Thanks for telling me hardcorehunter, I never would've known. I owe you.

I'll take your Longbow...

Yes,I have known that the Crewcab comes with a NICE frame, BUT, this NICE frame must be a different NICE frame then what comes with the 6500, as the load lifters are not up to par for ER on the CC and they are up to par on the 6500 NICE frame for him; correct? Two different NICE frames are put out by MR?

As usual NO.

No to what?

Same frame

No to you having a brain. Sofa King we Todd did.

So how can the CC be substandard for load hauling according to ELK REAPER, but the 6500 be ok? Same frame, same load lifter placement. Sounds like talking out of both sides of the mouth. Either the NICE frame is an excellent load hauler or it isn't. How can a 6500 carry better than a 5000 on the same NICE frame with the same dreaded load lifter placement?

Hard Head,

You are not very good at digesting information. Those questions have already been answered here and in Elk Reaper's Bowsite threads. You have an amazing ability to overlook and misunderstand simple information! Why don't you read them over a few more times and if you can't figure it out I will give you the answer tomorrow.

You do a lot of editing too...must be a bad speller!

Since you've never seen one, you wouldn't get it. But then again, I'd bet even if you did..

I'm embarrassed for you. My kids call it "special needs" and it's not something to make fun of in most cases.

I have read the reviews, I see no answers to this. Maybe I over looked the answers. maybe you could enlighten me to these answers since they are easily available here and on Bowsite and you can copy and paste for a bad speller like me

My God you are a dense person..45 pages later and you still dont know what the f%%k you are talking about...

There is only one nice frame...
There are different bags that fit the nice frame..
These bags have different lenghts/heights..
The taller the bag the more angle on the "load lifters"

Hardcore you have to shut up!!!!
Dont you realize how stupid you are making yourself look?
This is why you dont give "reviews" on things you dont have expierence with..

I cant believe how hard you try to prove the fact that,,the problem with common sense is the fact that it's really not all that common...

I would imagine all things in your life are very confusing...
One last time, Just walk away.Ok?

hardcorehunter, (laugh) Why would you need a "load hauler"? Seriously.

I took pictures and everything!! I posted the load lifter attchment point are in 2 locations, I also commented on what height of torso the 6500 would fit....and what angle the lifters would be at depending on your torso length.

What is wrong with you!!!

I also did not change my review on the Longbow....I did my best to explain that my intended use changed for the Longbow. I did this for people like you that have never used the MR packs and could get a good idea of how versatile the NICE system is.

I FAILED MISERABLY

Elk Reaper, keep your chin up. Special ed teachers have frustrating days, but it's an important job. Have faith.

So, in order to get proper load lifter placement on the NICE frame, one must go with the 6500. The CC or a long bow loaded with heavy gold bars, when placed on the NICE frame, places them too low for what is considered heavy load carrying comfort. Got it. Why not just place the load lifter straps on the NICE frame the same for all pack models and just have them hook up on the NICE frame and always be perfect.

You guys should have really let him do the research to get his answer. Spoon feeding information is part of the problem. He apparently reads the words, but does not seem to comprehend them.

I am going to print this thread out and save it for my 11 year old son. In a couple years he will be in that "I know everything" stage. This will be a good tool to show him what will happen if he does not learn to open his mind and shut his mouth...

Hard Head--I don't really think you are a bad speller, but as these 10 pages have already shown, you just don't get it.

The load lifter placement on a 2,000-3,000 cubic inch pack is not a issue.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND EVERYTHING HOLY_-_-_-_-_-_- READ THE FREAKING REVIEW.

So in order to get a NICE frame to really feel good, it has to have the 6500? By itself or with a smaller pack attached to it, it is impossible to get the load lifters at the right angle? Unlike a Kelty Catch hauler or an Alaskan frame that keeps it's load lifters the same regardless of what pak is attached to it?

Guys, please, everyone just walk away....

YOU CANNOT FIX STUPID !!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL, I wondered how a thread with this title could go 47 pages....

Not until we help him find his baseball.

This is so incredibly painful! We haven't had anyone like "Hardhead Hunter" in a long time! Sheesh!!

Hardcore,
The load lifters, when using a Longbow and CrewCab with the NICE frame, stay attached to the top of the NICE frame itstelf. They also stay attached there when using the load sling and some of the other military and medic packs. As you move to the 6500, 7500 etc... these longer packs extend further above the frame and have a location on the pack for the load lifters to attach, thus changing the angle.
I would guess that the issue you are speaking about is if someone has a load sitting low in their pack and on their back, that is slouching it will make the load lifters feel like they are pinching down. This isn't a design flaw and not a problem if the load is centered in your back and up toward your shoulder blades. If a load is sitting down on your fanny, no matter how high and angle load lifters are located, they aren't gonna help or work properly.
PM me your address, if you truly want to put your hands on a Longbow for a weekend I will mail you mine. Go pack the shlt out of it and then decide if it is a problem. I think you will be surprised.

Reaper,
You aren't a failure, you are just a gear whore! I know, I am one and I can spot one a mile away! LOL

Greeny,
I hate that fast moving water, slick rocks and a freezing fugging cold. Now if you are willing to pack me side saddle like that through the water I might put my tongue in your ear and then check your load lifter, ya know I am from Missoula! LMAO

Oh yee of the hardest-densest CORE,

Go back to page 8 of this embarrassment to you and STUDY the pictures. Many of the pics Greenhorn put up show a HEAVILY loaded Crew Cab. I don't know what angles the load lifters are at, but I do know if I had packed out as many animals as just those in a pack that didn;t work for me, it would have been long gone.

BTW, have you used your Blue Widow yet? The pack that you feel is superior to everything else on the market for hauling out heavy loads?

When God was passing out brains..

Guys,

You can't argue with stupid......

But it's fun..

Here's a NICE/longbow combo with a full boned out mule deer, head and cape, and hunting gear, ~4 miles from the trailhead. I guess I'll be the judge if I think it's uncomfortable, or flawed way to do it. But seriously, when a turkey decoy and a XL di1do are all you're going pack, why bother with something like this, especially if it's too confusing for you to figure out how to use..

wow, that is hardcore..

The mittens make the man.

spies like us

I knew there was a reason to get out of bed this morning.

I see some similarities there. Except, the fuzzier black one is more hardcore

I thought nothing was more Hardcore than a biker, but now Greenhorn has me confused.

LMAO!!

I'd be happy to help educate anyone who's reading/posting here about our technology.

Send me an email at [email protected] and then we'll find a way to get on the phone.

Best.

Mark Seacat

Mark, you missed all the fun


By the way, thanks for the heads up on how to clean my MR packs after 30 mile humps in ankle deep horseshit and mud. The guy at the carwash thought I'd washed a truck in there.

Thanks Dan...

I've been watching this one since the beginning...

Like someone said before... it goes nicely with my morning coffee.

Mark

how much ya'll wanna bet the guy goes postal?

Mark,

I think this is going to boil down to the question of whether MR makes packs with the chain load lifter pictured below. Apparently, the ones that come stock are not hard core enough.

And, if the bottom chain goes where I think it goes, is there an option for lambs wool padding?

This thread is a pretty good read, from the beginning. Just went back and laughed my ass off.

It's all fun and games until Hardcorehunter burns somebody's house down.

That's just wrong. ...but please don't touch his ears!

That chain would definately interfere with the 'Angle of my Dangle'. With that being said, I think it could be very useful in pulling dingle berries loose after 10 days in the woods with no wet wipes.

Personally, I think the Cop in the Village People is tougher, I am guessing they have wrasled before, not sure who won.

Hardcore will come around, he is getting the idea we are all a little screwy. Once he gets to test drive my pack he will be ordering up a Longbow and a Crew Cab, he will join us! Come on Hardcore, MR packs are just like a hot chick, you might be able to say no for awhile, but you can't say no forever, even when you know she is gonna cost ya a lot of money!
You just need a cool malted barley pop, a t-bone steak, footies in the sheep skin slippers, cozied down in a snuggy... no one can stay mad forever...right? Hell, it is cold and rainy here in Montana today, might run home and do that myself, didn't really want to go to the FWP wolf meeting tonight anyway. I have been wanting to try out my new snuggy I got, Rashad Evan's bought one for Rampage and I quickly ordered one up for me! The thing is pink fleece with the draw string in the middle, kinda look like a gay Obi Wan Kanobi in it, but I do rock it out.
Here ya go Greeny, a super awesome posed shot that I "had to do" for the Mad Dog gear. Feel free to fire away... Yes, the fanny pack is highly recommended for 1 water bottle. It lasted one trip and the shoulder strap ripped out of the belt, I sewed it up and it is usualbe if anyone has a kid that wants a fanny pack I will send it to them. Happy hunting, Casey


PS I spent the extra money and got the snuggy that is lined with puzzy fur, worth the extra $16.99 plus s&h, here is the cat right before he found out I had opted to spend the extra money for the fur lining.

And MR's pack sales go higher and higher....

Which is good cause they make great packs. I've had my Crew Cab, load lifters and all, for two years and love it.

However, I'm thinking this has got to be some sort of guerilla advertising. Mark and the guys must have created this "Hardcore" guy and must be laughing their azzes off.

Really; it's the only way to explain such hard core ignorance.

God I love that little retard.

Holy chit! I've been following and laughing at all of SoftCorePunters remarks and ignorance through this whole deal but you boys just took this thing to another level after I left this morning. LMFAO!!!

Go to work and I miss the spankin'...

Bottom line, you state that the Eberlestock Blue widow will carry any load a man is willing to carry in it, and you also state that durability is never an issue with a Eberlestock pack. So tell us prospective buyers what we have to gain by buying a Crewcab or long bow pack, when it appears that everyone is using a NICE frame to carry these MR packs. Why not a Kelty catch hauler or a Cabelas Alaskan frame?

HCH, what you don't understand because of inexperience is 'suspension'. That dictates how a load rides on your back and how comfortable it will be as you add weight. A pack maybe durable and handle weight, not fall apart at the seams but may not be comfortable to carry over a certain amount of weight because of the suspension.

Much has to do with body fit the same as boots. Much has to do with engineering and manufacture.

I know guys who say a J104 is hell after 30 lbs, I believe them... though for me 70 lbs was still ok. Same with other packs. I know it is durable and will hold more than I can lift, but if it is uncomfortable below your max weight ability then you will not load enough to be efficient. Efficiency in the backcountry is what we are all trying to achieve. Different boots for one guy depending on body shape and conditions... same with packs and bags and tents ect.

We do not generalize or attack people for those differences and try to help each other.

Dumbchitts we attack after a couple of hints...

Kent

On my way to Wyoming via Bozeman tomorrow I will be stopping at Mystery Ranch to pick up a NICE frame and Longbow pack...just talked to them on the phone and they said they have had a rush of business in just the past two days on NICE frames and daypacks....go figure.

Lee24? Is that you....?

Scenar,
If you think you want a Longbow check out the NICE Skiritai BVS bag.
I can't pronounce, had to cut and paste it for the spelling but think it is a super cool pack. I am a complete gear whore, going to get a tramp stamp above my arse that says, "Will Dance for Cool Hunting Gear".
After Hardcore test drives my Longbow and refuses to send it back because he loves it so much, and of course pays me 15% over retail because he will be able to tell everyone I hunted it, I am gonna go buy one of these!

Good Pic of the pack off of the frame.


This thing has more pockets than a fertal marcupial!


Here's a pic with a Lid riding shotgun!

Check out the side pockets on the bag, place for my water bottle, or better yet they work great for the but of my gun to rest in. My daughters Bighorn have these and she like to strap one of the top compression staps over the forearm of her rifle and let the butt ride in the pocket, works like a charm.
Hmmmm...

Looks like an overweight, ill-concieved POS to me.

Here is a Longbow for a comparison...

280Rules,
You are right dude, what was I thinking, Silly Rabbit, Trix are for kids!

Greenie,
I will give you 500 bucks if you throw in those gals that were packing your spotting scope around in those pics you had up a while back!

No way. They carry all my stuff, find game, shed antlers, set up camp, cook, etc.

Damn!

OrvisHunter -

I was all set on a Bighorn and then you went and posted that link - which led me even further down the rabbit hole.

That NICE Skiritai looks awesome, but still a little short of the cuin I was hoping for (+/-3K), however that new SATL Assault Pack looks PERFECT! Just like my bud's NICE Wolf Alpha with less weight and more space than the Bighorn!

I'm not 100% sure if the BVS system will work without armor (as it was designed to be used with it), but if it does....

I hate this site - and I'm only on post 3.

NXP

But Ovis, how well do you think the loadlifters work?

NXP,
My daughter has a Bighorn and like any good Dad I have tried it out for her. I like it A LOT. It "rides nice", I really like the way the pockets are set up on the side, very similar in layout on the inside to my Longbow. It is a couple pounds lighter and if you are planning on not packing some major heavy loads is a good choice for sure. It does have some more space to get clothing etc inside too.
I really like the NICE frame set up. If you go with the Longbow and use it for your daypack, car a set of long straps and a couple meat bags you are set to make a major load out when you wack something.
If you have a 14 day sheep hunt lined out, you can grab a 6500 or 7500, swap out the Longbow and you are ready to climb Everest if you want.
If you go with the Skiritai you can get a regular NICE frame with it as opposed to the BVS. The BVS "fill" can be removed and it is the same as the standard NICE. I am gonna check out the Skiritai next trip through Bozeman if they have one in stock, let me know if you want me to email or post some more pics. Casey

PS If Seacat is reading this, maybe he can offer some expert insight... the guy knows these packs inside and out, I am just a Padawan, he is a Jedi Knight.

Calvin has represented Alaskans well.

I went and looked at a Badlands 4500 and the Blue Widow today at SW. I can see that maybe you could use them on a flyin hunt.

I am not berating the bowhunting crowd as I have a great deal of respect for bowhunters. However, I don't think it would work well for the type of hunting that many hunters in Alaska are used to.

They would not work for a walk-in hunt more than three days. Even with a partner. They are not big enough. A Lowa internal frame pack would be better than what they are.

A Mystery Ranch cc/Kifaru longhunter/Barney's special are the only options for long treks of 12 days or more. You can go real old school and get a pack frame and find a silnylon drybag with bungies and parachute cord and probably do ok.

I am not berating HCH but I do think that it is not easy to try to convey what our hunting is like up here. I am not talking about guided hunts with porters that are cheap college students conditioned from firefighting. I am also not talking about special drawing permit areas. I am talking about the equal to the unlimited areas in Montana where you have to outwalk your competition and go to very bad places for treks of 60-80miles. You have a 25 mile packout if you get a shot but the sheep and the country is worth it. Population is down right now but mountain griz population is great and corned grizzly tastes better than beef in beef stew.

I am not a bowhunter. I have shot 2 grizzlies DLP and I believe that meeting a mountain grizzly in the Alders with a bow in my pack would be not on my favorite to do lists. Maybe I am not as brave as others but I have bumped enough of them off of the trail and had enough nighttime visitors that I just don't have enough ninja skills to grab my bow at night and arrow 1000lbs of muscle bound brute in the dark. I guess that smart ones could carry a large handgun which is ok. I hunt solo as partners have pretty much given up on me. That is ok. Stuck with school chain for another five years and then I will hunt all forty and I will be on middle mountain for the whole duration.

Sincerely,
Thomas

ovis, Thanks, I'll take a look at that when I get there today.

Are you guys doing the unlimited thing this fall?

With all the molle webbing and extra pockets, how can that be lighter than the longbow w/NICE? Spec on the website show it's a little lighter?

I'm a big Mystery Ranch advocate and want to give my opinion on this load-lifter brouhaha.. and though I'm no "backpack expert" like many on here, I do use them often and have felt pain and pleasure with many over the last 25+ years.

90% of my backpack use is for one-day outings, sometimes 24hrs in a row, sometimes just 6hrs. but even without overnight gear, I tote around about 30 lbs of crap. There's probably 1000 packs that will feel just great with my 30lbs of crap, though they'd be of varying durability. I used to carry a small daypack, the DD Hoodoo Spire, a great and simple design. I used that a ton & packed plenty of animals out with that pack, with my gear, as small as it is - miserably. After a night packing the head and cape of a moose with it.. I decided enough of that - my pack for day trips needed to have real suspension. I switched to full-sized top-shelf, internal frame backpacks. They worked great, but were a little much for the day in, day out hunting, mostly packing 30lbs, but wonderful when it needed to ramp up in weight. For me, the NICE 6500 works for any multi-day backpacking trip, heavy going, and will comfortably carry anything - better than any I've personally tried, and it's bombproof. There are no "loadlifter" issues and it's simple to position your crap right where it needs to be. When it comes to the crewcab or longbow, you've the flexibility to unsnap an expedition bag, and snap on a 1500-2500 daypack that's flexible and convenient, albeit short. So now, there's this little cult of people that think a 1500-2500 cubic inch pack is expected to feel just like a full-sized expedition bag (that's way bigger and taller) with 100 lbs or more in it. Howso? Please show me another bag of comparable size that feels better with weights like that, is 1/2 as flexible, and allows you to drag it behind a car on asphalt for 10 miles without wearing a hole in it. When I hear comfort falls short at 50-60lbs with the crewcab or longbow... I'm thinking... COMPARED TO WHAT? I've packed a lot of heavy trips out with both bags and though 100+lbs is never lovely - what's better at that size? They're more expensive and a little heavier than other comparable packs.. but way tougher and much higher quality, which is worth it to me.

Misery, with packs that weren't stout enough..

Whole whitey in this one, early 90s..


Part of a muley in this one, late-90s, as I knew what I didn't enjoy.. but I had to walk an extra 6 miles to make the second trip. I don't have to do that now, and use a small kick-ass little pack that doesn't bog me down on day trips.

Another thing, I think people who pick a 2400 cubic inch or less bag for multi-day hunting trips are using the wrong bag. They'll work, but in my opinion, there's better choices.

I asked MR about that a week or two ago. The website is wrong. The skirtai is more than a bit heavier.

It only gets worse....
And welcome......

x

Greenhorn

I'm not sure if I am giving piss poor explanations:), but what I'm trying to convey to everyone is the fact that to have a true expedition/load hauling pack, you would need the load lifter angle.
Like I had said on the Bowsite thread, the Longbow will hold more then any other pack that I know of and will do it with more comfort, but if you are buying it for a "load hauling" only pack....You should look at the 6500 or something that is built more for that type of use.

As far as the Crew Cab...That pack is in a league of it's own. It can handle any amount of weight and the options for strapping things to it are endless. FOR ME, I would prefer to use a pack like the 6500, but if you are using it for day use (like you are talking about) then the 6500 is not a option and the CC would be a better choice.

One of the problems with the Bowsite thread, is that the total posts on the pack reviews are over 1,000 and it's hard to filter through all of the info and some only take in what they choose to or what they want to hear.

Greeny,
I thought I was the only marooon that would kill a whitetail that has to be boned out? Guessing that was a treestand hunt over a cornfield, NOT! This one came out in stew and steak meat portions...

That's a gorgeous buck! Was that your first attempt at facial hair? Boning out whitetails is for special needs folks, they were made to throw in the truck whole or drag less than 200 yards to a road.

I still had to wait about another decade before I could grow whiskers..

Kurt/Rockchucker30~

That's definitely an error on our part... we had to rush to get the Skiritai up on the website... it's a highly specialized military pack... we'll be fixing the weight asap! Thanks for pointing that out guys.

Best.

Mark