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The local boys from a nearby town saw the article and knew the hunter in the article.

Yikes. Leave the state for three years and find your high hunt plastered all over the internet. First laid eyes on Devore in 1998 on a quick day-hike from Weaver point. This was before I had much of a mountain hunting clue. We wanted to eyeball the country and see what things looked like above the wilderness boundary. Vowed to be back, and came back in 2004 from the Weaver Point side and 2006 from the Tenmile side and took bucks, but nothing of any size. Never made it over the top into Castle, but always wanted to. So much for that.

FWIW, any sort of discussion of column buckling as it relates to stay design is somewhat irrelevant - since the stay is sleeved and backed by a polyethylene sheet (at least in my Dana packs), it's not subject to true column loading forces, and in truth sees more bending loads. If that's the case, the 0.19" stay is (0.19^3 / 0.128^3) = 3.3 times as stiff in bending as the 0.128" stay, assuming equal width. Beam stiffness is proportional to the width, and proportional to the cube of the depth of the section, FYI. Columns are a whole nuther matter, and much of column theory flies out the window when a column is sleeved and otherwise braced and loaded in bending. I'd wager those stays are actually bar stock of 3/16 and 1/8" thickness, but that's just a guess.

Calvin, the high buck hunt in WA is indeed neat, and there are more than five bucks to shoot. However, they can be pretty widely dispersed in their summer range. If you can find a pocket that attracts deer, you can do some good year after year. If you say anything about it to anyone, it will get compromised...

I just got off the phone with Propper International, the people who make the ILBE pack.

There is indeed a difference in packs between the Arcteryx Bora and the ILBE. The Stays are in fact stiffer on the ILBE.

It is rated to carry 120 lbs because it can!

I was also told by a higher up at Arcteryx the same information.

It would be nice to see some maturity from people who like to declare themselves as big bad mountain hunters..

Do you two think we actually care about any of this????

Where have I declared myself anything?
I'm the OP here and it was about a pack I'm using.
It degenerated because an idiot with a big ego thinks he knows about ILBE's of which he doesn't own and knows nothing about.

If you don't like the post or care then don't read it.

Ok, back to the pack. How much does the ILBE main pack weigh? Can you get differant size waist belts? Will the Bora waist belts fit? It says they make a Large waist belt for the ILBE and the Bora, but i can't find one anywhere.???

Good questions,

I asked Propper those questions and got the run around.
Ony answer I got was we have govt. contracts and only sell to the military.

This pack is interesting. In my experience most issued gear is absolutely terrible compared to equivalent civilian gear (which always makes me shake my head when people talk about buying military boots) but maybe this is an exception. At the price point it's probably worth picking one up to check out and use as a loner if it doesn't live up to all the hype.

Yes, 15 pages and no one has yet posted a weight of the pack, and if you would please, the weight of the pack without the lid, or any extraneous pouches etc.

I just emptied my pack, took off the lid and extra radio pocket.

7 lbs 8oz.

Ditto mine.

Recall military packs (same with Kifaru, et al) are made with considerably stronger material than recreational use packs.

The ILBE rides like it is lighter.....

Yeah, it does.

The Care and Use Manual on-line states that the issue waist belt can be replaced with a large or a women's belt. So, they are available--not sure where. I'm 37/38" and the standard belt fits OK. Lots of adjustment left.

Thanks, too heavy for me. I'm saving up for a McHale.

TAK - Which Mchale model are you thinking of getting? And options?

Probably this one:

http://www.mchalepacks.com/ultralight/detail/UnLTD%20%2B2.htm

Configured like one in the lower left pic (4.5#/$709) Probably go without the lid and just use it as a roll top pack, just like the ULA I hike with (ULA Catalyst). I like my Catalyst and I want a pack just like it that'll carry 100#, that doesn't weigh eight or nine pounds. A McHale looks like the only game in town. Sleeping bag zippers are stupid, I don't need or want ANY zippers on my pack, 'cause I don't use 'em and I don't want to carry 'em. McHale's "bayonet" frame stays enable your main pack to easily convert to your hunting pack.

For $709.00 it better be lighter.

plus one.

I just can't figure out why this debate rages on about a pack that originally cost over $700, marked down to under $200 delivered with minor use, built tank tough.

I have a lot (ten+?) hunting and hiking packs, MR, Kifaru, all the names, but this is ABSOLUTELY the most vlaue for the buck.

I question the competence of those who don't own one, and argue against it.

Thats it. There very well my be better packs out there but this is one of the best values. It is very well made and not a bad design either.

When I have weight on my back and a long hike ahead, "value" is the last thing going through my mind.

Packs are very subjective and you learn very quickly what is good for you.