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Ohhhh yeah! I forgot about you! But more importantly, please throw in with your views on the 400gr Woodleighs. Heck if they don't work you'll get them in the mail for your 450/400 WR

Well, I'll be damned. Never would have that would work.

I can't help it any longer but with respect!!!!!Now the 405 Winchester is a Cape Buff Round when the 45-70 in a modern action can send 300 to 550 grain bullets faster and within the pressure limits.....

Sorry Jorge but you were on many cases for this,including Randy Garrett, if memory on AR serves me right and it might not,this time.

Pressure checked loads in the 45-70 send 300 grain bullets at nearly 2500 fps by Rick Jamison and 525 grain Cast loads pressure checked by White Labs at less than 40,000 PSI at 1850 fps..

I do wish you the best on your hunt and goal,really but memory has me confused some..............

Jayco

Never said it was, and if you take the time to rad what I posted, I call this for what it is, a pure stunt to try and emulate what TR did and by his own admission, he considered the 405 as too light for buffalo but perfect for lion. Also if you care to read about two or three posts up, you'll see my comments about trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear out of the 405. My whole disagreement (and still is) with the 45/70 crowd was their insistence that it was on par with bona-fide DG cartridges when clearly it is not. This is just a historical whim on my part and I recognize it for what it is. Plenty of lesser cartridges than either of these have taken buffalo and other large game but a DG cartridge they'll never be.

That's cool..Wasn't trying to pull a Jim H here and I have read every post..As I said...I do wish you the best of luck.

Leverguns are addictive...

Jayco

Yes they are addictive. I have a beautiful upgraded Uberti 76 in 45-60 that I'm chomping at the bit to use as well. I was on a blind with a good friend of mine last year in Texas when he killed a big axis buck at 60 yards with a similar rifle. This 1895 is a beautifully balanced rifle and I'm a TR fan, plus our fellow poster Bob Faucett got me going with this whole 1895 craze and it is addictive!

I usually don't watch hunting shows but one day a while back when I was in the hills via DTV satellite/generator,I was scanning the channels and saw Tom Selleck/Brad Johnson and Tony Makris all shooting leverguns on an Elk hunt...Tony and Brads were converted to 50-110 and Toms was only a 45-70 and he got the only Elk,that day...Made me laugh a bit but by now,Tom also has one of Brad's conversions to 50-110 which are not cheap.

I guess the bug get's us all at one time or another with an open mind...

Jayco

Actually, Sellick had the best elk cartridge. The way the 50-110 is loaded now with the light bullets with low sectional density, they lack the penetration of the 45-70. They look impressive, but don't have the reach or ability to go deep that even the 405FN has in the 45-70. Load a 500 grain bullet in the 45, and you can reach and shoot all the way through any elk you can see and hit. I have a 480 grain FN as well as a 502 grain FN that will cycle through a Marlin 1895, and they are the Real Deal in both the Marlin and my Sharps. They blow through both shoulders of a 1600 pound bison bull, throw up dirt on the other side, and keep on going.

My next trip to RSA will see me carrying a Sharps in 45-70. At some point I can see me carrying my 45-70 Cowboy Marlin. It has a lot going for it.

Bill is that 480 the one I have for my Sharps? Waiting for the weather to cool a bit before I start casting

Oh sure.... Place all of the blame on me!!!

BTW, I'm a big TR fan also.



-Bob F.

Bill, what is the twist on those Marlins?

Brent

My wife did...

That's kind of what I figured!!!!

-Bob F.

That's the one, jorge. Load 96 grains of 2f black and you will have a real barn burner.

Just for you Bill:

Brent--The twist on my Marlin is 1-20. It will absolutely put the bullets in one hole at 50 yards if you're up to it. Anything between 340 and 520 grains. At 100, it will shoot as well as you can see with barrel sights. I have seen several scoped Guide Guns go under an inch at 100.

20 twist is plenty fast! One day, I'm going to get one. Right now, I need a .45-70 back-up match rifle, but I'll get a lever one day.
Brent

I wholeheartedly agree--Life's too short to shoot an ugly rifle. I don't know who said that first, but he was certainly right.

Try 'em, but I think you'll find them unnecessary. I'll takem!