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I think this has already been stated, but there's little doubt in my mind that more animals are wounded by slob hunters at considerably shorter ranges than are wounded by the LR boys at 6-800yds. It really boils down to knowing your ability to make the shot under the conditions you're faced with - for some that's 1000yds and for some it might be 100yds.

To be fair, if you asked every member of this forum if they've ever lost an animal due to a poor hit... I'm guessing it's happened to a lot of us, and not necessarily at long range.

This is all becoming rather childish... I'll bet my dad can beat up your dad.

I wouldn't have a problem if he sold his trucks to people with a valid driver's license.

He sells his "trucks" to those who wish to pay off the instructor, skip driver's education, and go straight into "heavy hauling"........

2muchdumb

is this still America where people can still buy what they wish where legal?

or is this your little fantasy world where you can get your way by throwing a tantrum?

do you think we should throw a tantrum about lever actions because they may induce people to take shots at running game through brush and may wound animals? how many people with M94 .30-30s know how much lead a mover going 15 mph at 73 yards requires?

This world is about making money and if JB don't take there money someone else will. At least when he sells a rifle the people can afford to practice unlike alot people that buy Remingtons 710's.

Dink

You guys really don't get it do you? You either haven't read the entire thread, or you are just mentally challenged in terms of comprehension skills.

Right now, signs point to both.

I most certainly know what a "fouler shot" is and where it came from.
I'm sure the benchrest guys would love to hear the explanation you just gave.

Frankly, I'm a little disappointed in your answers, considering how many of your former rifles are wearing the trigger guards I made.

For the record, my issue isn't about the price of your rigs, nor the distance that you advocate shooting game. Mainly, because I know what it takes to shoot at those ranges and it can be done quite humanely and routinely. The difference is, I know that you cannot make a "turnkey" long-distance rifle, since the rifle is only half of the equation at best when talking those ranges.

You can make a very accurate rifle that can assist a great deal in helping a long-range shooter make those shots, but the system can't be turnkey for anyone but an accomplished shooter.

I'd love to see the first clean shot hit where the rest lie one of these days, as many others I'm sure would too, but it don't happen. I could care less how many borescopes and special cleaning techniques, coupled with the latest break-in procedure is employed, it simply doesn't happen...MOLY or NO MOLY.

Like I said earlier, my door is always open and I love a good steak, even if I have to choke it down whilst my company is eating crow.

Just about everything in your list is a lowball, "buddy" price, if it can be had at all. You didn't list what it costs to install and short chamber the barrel, your barrel price is $150 too low. You might get decent mounts for $200, probably closer to $300.

And while we are talking about mounts Burns shows(in the "How to Shoot" DVD's) why "conventional" mounts can and will let your a$$ down, he does show you how they can be installed in a much more solid, reliable manner but HIS rifles mounts are bombproof. I'll won't explain it to you cheap bastids, buy the DVDs.

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For the record, my issue isn't about the price of your rigs, nor the distance that you advocate shooting game. Mainly, because I know what it takes to shoot at those ranges and it can be done quite humanely and routinely. The difference is, I know that you cannot make a "turnkey" long-distance rifle, since the rifle is only half of the equation at best when talking those ranges.

You can make a very accurate rifle that can assist a great deal in helping a long-range shooter make those shots, but the system can't be turnkey for anyone but an accomplished shooter.

I'd love to see the first clean shot hit where the rest lie one of these days, as many others I'm sure would too, but it don't happen. I could care less how many borescopes and special cleaning techniques, coupled with the latest break-in procedure is employed, it simply doesn't happen...MOLY or NO MOLY.
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Anyone who doesn't agree with this simply doesn't shoot enough to rate an opinion.

"turnkey" may now be my most hated word......

Once again some more BS from someone who hasn't a clue. For $6000 I could build 2 rifles equal to or better than a GBP in every way.

But again, it's not the prices of the products that are pissing people off, it's the ideology behind them.

I've said all I care to say on the subject. Hope you do well, John. Hope your clients do better. The game animals deserve it.

Goodnight kids.......

27 pages of bitchen and arguing over the price of a gun, how to clean a gun and how a man decides to hunt things must be slow!


gene

Believe what you want, but I'm from the world of competitive shooting... and there are not many out there spending that jack on a top winning gun....

And thats a ripoff too... selling something to someone that doesn't need it... of course I'd flop as a salesman simply because I'm honest.

2muchgun,

You made ridiculous accusations and have been totally unable to back them up and now you are making silly claims with absolutely no intention of backing those up either.

You will not be able to name any ranch that kicked me off and you will not build a single rifle, much less 2.

You remain a jackass.

I am wondering if this is really really the last post or if you might just have one more thing to say??

Triggerguard1,

Boy you are really confident in your position. Willing to risk a whole steak dinner???

Why would you say I used your trigger guards?? I don�t have anything against your guards, but it seem kind of cheesy to say I used them when I never ever ever ever have.

So, now it all comes to light. We just don't have enough experience or knowledge to spend our time and money as we deem fit. Sound familar ? "2muchgun", you ain't from the Federal Government and here to help are ya'?

JBurns-Thanks for sponsoring the forum!!

I don't have a clue, huh. You also suggested in the same post that a 3.5x10 Leupy was all you need to shoot long range. That proves beyond a shadow of a doubt you are full of schit 'cause that is not a side focus scope, and you probably don't even know what that is, or why NO ONE who knows what they are doing, attempt shots past 4-500 with out one.

A friend of mine is a competitive shooter, he spends very little on shooting. He gets boxes of parts, ammo, and complete guns, in the mail, for free, all the time. Yes, if you are friends with Carl Bernosky, his lathe time comes a tad cheaper, that's why I said you listed "buddy" prices on a lot of your list.

Stayed out of this and don't begrudge GreyBull one bit, but this has to be [bleep] parody.
That or you are off your [bleep] rocker sugar...

Not enough posts to credibly weigh in unfortunately. How about a loose glossary for this thread?

Capitalism - an economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately owned and operated for a private profit; decisions regarding supply, demand, price, distribution, and investments are made by private actors in the market

Demand (Economic) - the ability or the willingness to buy a particular commodity at a given point of time

Socialism - characterized by production for use rather than profit, by equality of individual wealth, by the absence of competitive economic activity, and, usually, by government determination of investment, prices, and production level

Experience - Active participation in events or activities, leading to the accumulation of knowledge or skill

Opinion - A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof

Childish - foolish or petty

Jackass - A foolish or stupid person

Cheers!

Take a Knee ... Are you freaking serious about (paraphrase) "anyone who knows what they are doing only uses a side focus scope"??? First off, "side focus" is just an engineering item ... the proper description would be a "scope with adjustable parallax" - whether side focus or an adjustable objective is used to accomplish that is another story.

Back to being able to shoot "long range" without an adjustable parallax scope ... it CAN be done, and is done all the time with relative ease for anyone who knows how to get a consistent cheek weld and place their eye in the center of the scope's view, thus eliminating parallax issues as it applies to shooting big game. I shouldn't have to say this, but keep in mind I'm not talking benchrest competition where microns might decide who wins.

For what it's worth, here's a couple of pictures from when I was shooting at about 800 yards with a Rem700 Varmint .243win barreled action dropped into an HS Precision "PSS" stock (no bedding other than the aluminum block that comes integral to the stock), with a VX-III 3.5-10x40 in Talley one-piece lightweight rings. For reference, this is an 8" square steel plate.



Here's a view from the steel plate back to the cabin I was shooting from ...




And as for "buddy pricing", you're again way off ... the prices I listed are easily available to anyone that can use google to search for the components of the rifle, be it the pedestrian individual or a smith ... and keep in mind as well that most smiths (at least the ones I know) are able to get better than 'typical' pricing on components, which could result in even lower pricing that I listed.

and to JBurns ... you keep talking about being the only one (or one of the very few) that offers a "turnkey" system ... are you insinuating that there are no other smiths out there that are willing to build a complete rifle, including working up loads for the end user? If so, you obviously haven't dealt with many smiths. Granted, most of us here don't want the smith to do every last little bit of work before handing the rifle over to us, but they will gladly take on the task of doing so if you pay them ... just like your customers are paying you to do so.

Now, another item that I don't think has been addressed ... From your write-up on your website, you have some verbiage about how great the stock is that you use on your P105 rifle ... It might be a quality stock, but what if the end user want's (or better yet, needs" a shorter length of pull, or perhaps a longer one than the stock offers off the shelf? Does Greybull Precision offer a shorter or longer length of pull on the stock? If so, is this part of the $6000 price tag, or would this be considered extra?

And one more pic ... this antelope was taken at just over 400 yards using the same rifle. I realize that 415 yards is not the same as 800 yards, but still, the shot was made from a field position on a moving buck, and a lowly 85g TSX that doesn't even start to compare to the VLD bullets in terms of ballistic coefficient ...

I don't know squat about long range rifles and can't afford a $6K rifle - but I have enjoyed seeing the way Burns deals with douchebags. I hope he sells boatloads of his rifles and sticks around to share his knowledge and experience.