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Good post...

And no, not passed out yet.. Love this discussion..

If everybody felt like I did, there'd be no other manufacturers and certainly none with the new MOA WOWZA-TRIGGER..

That wouldn't be any fun now, would it??

I really like the new Mod 70s too

Just sayen... again

I'm sorry but I just can't warm up to any model 70. I've owned and shot model 700's all my adult life, own three currently, one since 1967. I've never once had so much as an inkling of trouble with the push feed or the extractor, or anything else on them for that matter. I even owned a pre '64 .270 for awhile once. I tried and tried but I just couldn't see what all the hoopla was about. It was'nt as good as my 700, even in looks. I finally sold the 70 for just what I gave for it and never looked back. I have no problem with anybody else that likes them and shoots them. I just don't get the craze over them.

I agree but I think the new Model 70s are the best Model 70s so far.

You know it's odd.....I could never warm up to the Model 70 either.

I LOVE the Mauser 98 rifle and sporters made on that action and to me at least, the Model 70 was a Mauser want-to-be that fell short. The Mauser was smoother to operate, more reliable and safer (gas handling) and , to me, looked a lot better.

The Model 70 safety was interesting, but I always felt it basically solved a problem that didn't exist (I somehow always managed to unload my rifles without shooting my foot off.....without a 3-position safety).

When the Ruger 77 was introduced it beat the Post-64 Model 70 in every way.....and when the MKII Rugers appeared, they beat the Pre-64 Model 70's. They were better looking and closer to a true Mauser action......and had the 3-position safety too (even if I didn't think it was "needed"....it was kind of neat).

Even today I prefer the Ruger Hawkeye (hate that name....a Ruger "Hawkeye" is a single shot pistol no longer made, not a rifle) and a good Mauser sporter to the new SC Model 70's.

However, even though I don't "love" the Model 70.....I DO accept that the Pre-64 Model 70's are legendary and in a class of their own (particularly if judged by their peers at the time of their production). No real Rifle Looney can call his collection complete without at least one Pre-64 Model 70.

That statement cannot be said of the new SC rifles.....even though they are very, very good.

TR,

I agree with you about the Rugers.

I have a similar background as yours with bolt action sporters, and agree with your overall frame of historical reference.

A far as "legend" status goes, the FN S.C. made m70s have only been out two years now. They are at a marked disadvantage to any pre 64 in terms of time alone- ot matter how good they may be.

They are off to a LOT better start in terms of price ,quality and performance than all their detractors beleived when first announced.

They already have a rep for shooting/working better out of the box than 90% of the post 64 New Haven guns given guns of the same weight and caliber- especially the later USRAC rifles. I sure as heck haven't heard of many malfunctions or feeding problems ,either.

Even the pre'64 m70 was a "new" design at one time. If the quality is kept up, the new m70s will be well thought of in their own right over time by folks who judge the rifles on their own merits rather than comparing them to guns made 50 to 75 years ago.

For me a rifle needs to be MOA out of the box. That's why I don't care much for the older Winchester, Rugers, or commerical Mausers.

The Model 700s & the New FN Winchesters make the cut.

you must love getting pounded....

It's always more important to be right, than to be popular.

you are neither. right now it looks like you have a better chance at "popular" no matter how silly that seems.

Gee, I never knew until reading Swampman's post that Rem. 700's were the only sporting rifle that will shoot MOA out of the box. Guess I'll just have to sell off all those Rugers, Winchesters and even commercial Mausers that have done it right away.

As a matter of fact just last week I bought one of the Ruger Hawkeyes in 6.5 Creedmoor and the very first 5-shot (not 3-shot) group with FACTORY ammo measured .63". And yes, that was right out of the box.

Don't forget the Weatherbys. Both of mine (Mark V and Vanguard) shot sub moa groups right out of the box.

I try not to think about Howa/Weatherby.

If you love to tinker the Rugers may be your cup of tea. The last one I owned took about 20 range trips but it finally shot ok. All of the inaccurate rifles I've ever owned have been Rugers.

It's not impossible to find an accurate off brand rifle but even a blind hog finds an acorn every once in awhile.

Oh, I was just specifically mentioned all the rifle makers that Swampman suggested won't shoot.

I own three Weaherby's (a Vanguard, a Mark V ULW and a regular MarkV) and all three started shooting sub-MOA out of the box. None of the three is even a "Sub-MOA" model....

Aside from those I've shot two Browning X-Bolts that were also sub-MOA with factory ammo with no modifications, and several Savages in chamberings from .204 to .338 Lapua.

Then there are the Ruger No. 1's that shot right out of the box. I'd say at least half of the new ones I've purchased in the past decade will do it as well.

Gee, maybe Remingtons aren't the only 1-inch factory rifles around!

My Tikkas will shoot inch groups, but I have to back off to 200 yards to get them to do it... Kind of a pain, really

Damn! I've seen the same problem with Tikkas. They must all be defective.

Same deal with most Sakos I've shot.

I don't buy foreign made rifles. My friends do though and I'm not impressed at all.

You do on scopes, what's the difference?

Ingwe