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...more elk hatin' the 7mm MT 2005 452 yards 30 yard stagger and down: ![[Linked Image]](http://photos.imageevent.com/buzzandpat/elkhunting/websize/324.JPG) 2010 WY bull...30 yards dropped on the spot with a quartering toward shot to the shoulder: ![[Linked Image]](http://photos.imageevent.com/buzzandpat/elkhunting/websize/IMG_4064.JPG) A few weeks later also WY...calf 130 yards lung shot...5 steps and game over: ![[Linked Image]](http://photos.imageevent.com/buzzandpat/elkhunting/websize/IMG_4104.JPG) Finally November 28, 2010 last day of the MT season, my 45th elk...382 yards instant drop. ![[Linked Image]](http://photos.imageevent.com/buzzandpat/elkhunting/websize/DSCN5616.JPG) I've nothing against the gun writers and gun cranks...but I think they spend too much time fretting over minutia and writing articles to satisfy editors, sponsors, and the fickle public. The primary 3 things elk hunters should worry about when hunting elk is shot placement, shot placement, and shot placement...followed distantly by selecting a decent bullet for their "elk" rifle. The rest is just trivia...and a lot of work/fun. I'll still pack my 338, but I've come to the conclusion that the 7 is a worthy elk rifle...YMMV. Carry on...
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Boddington claims that the 279 put the Bull down faster than any other cartidge that he has used and that is Boddington's own words as well. Those words contridict his previous words and that is the problem with picking pepper out of fly [bleep]
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...more elk hatin' the 7mm MT 2005 452 yards 30 yard stagger and down: 2010 WY bull...30 yards dropped on the spot with a quartering toward shot to the shoulder: A few weeks later also WY...calf 130 yards lung shot...5 steps and game over: Finally November 28, 2010 last day of the MT season, my 45th elk...382 yards instant drop. I've nothing against the gun writers and gun cranks...but I think they spend too much time fretting over minutia and writing articles to satisfy editors, sponsors, and the fickle public. The primary 3 things elk hunters should worry about when hunting elk is shot placement, shot placement, and shot placement...followed distantly by selecting a decent bullet for their "elk" rifle.
The rest is just trivia...and a lot of work/fun.
I'll still pack my 338, but I've come to the conclusion that the 7 is a worthy elk rifle...YMMV.Carry on... Great post and spot on!!!!!
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 Coyote Hunter. I have never reloaded for the 30-30.I just grab a box or two of Remington 170 grain Corelokts on special and go hunting.There very accurate in my Winchesters and do a great job on game. As for the '06 neither of us have had until recently because we both already had Elk slayers...I bought 100 Nosler Partitions(180 grain) for my '06 and haven't reloaded one yet.I didn't think I could hunt last year but at the last moment,I could, so I bought two boxes of Hornady 165 Interbonds at 3015 fps from a local here, and went hunting then chose to take the 45-70(420 cast) into the brush and left the '06 in the camper.Big mistake and lost Bull do to a cow semi behind it,so I passed. I couldn't hunt this year either, so I am itching for next year and the '06 or 375. Jayco
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The 30/06 is a suitable elk round...the 7mm marginal?
Laffin'....
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Jayco, you want to talk about what Boddinton has to say about Elk rifles OK let's do just that. Here is a quote from Boddington
"It's worth noting that my longest shot on an elk (410 yards) and, excluding neck/spine shots, the fastest I have ever seen a bull elk go down was with a .270 Win. and a 150-grain Nosler Partition".
The whole article here: Boddington On Elk Cartridges
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Buzz-I love that AZ bull!
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Okay John..Just once as I wanna go Stealhead fishing on either the Clearwater or Salmon both 15 miles or so away if I can get my son up.. From Boddington and your link.. Now, don't get me wrong. While I have no qualms about going elk hunting with a .270 caliber cartridge, I have no intention of making either a .270 or a 7mm my primary elk rig. That's too big a step for me. I think I'll settle on a fast .30 with a good 180-grain bullet or, if the accuracy and velocity are there, a 200-grainer.
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Your point about killng of Elk is? Boddington's point is/was that he is seeing the light, but can't make the leap away from the 35s/33s to the 270 in one step.
The whole article must be kept in context.
If a bullet from a 338 through the heart kills any faster than a 270 bullet in the same location, I dought. I would certainly like to see that one proved
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IMO and IME the more elk people see taken with the smaller rounds (IE 270, 7, 06 etc) the more comfy they'll feel with using them.
Some I'm sure will jump all over about what I'm about to say but here goes...while JJ and CB have seen tons more game taken than most of us will ever dream of. I do feel that there are more than a few people around who've seen more elk taken than either of those two. My point being, I'll listen to those with the most experience with said subject and personally while I have total respect for the both of those fellas I don't feel that they're the ones with the most experience when it comes to killing elk.
Load em up and shoot em at me boys...<g>
Dober
(side note, look at how many elk John Burns see's taken each year and look at what his choice of rounds are)
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A few weeks later also WY...calf 130 yards lung shot...5 steps and game over: I bet that one tasted horrible... 
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Don't forget JJ Hack aka Jim Hackiewicz saying this...
The 300 mag is a far more lethal cartridge then the 7mm mag. At this point in my career no matter who tries to convince me otherwise, I'm not buying!
Okay..Boddington is wrong and JJ Hack is wrong according to...I can live with that and don't care much what anyone else uses..Just adding something to the topic of 7mm mag on elk vs. heavier calibers from notable names with alot of experience compared to.
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I didn't see your post while I was typing.. Load em up and shoot em at me boys...<g> BANG.. I think there are alot of people here who don't need to listen to anyone when it comes to Elk hunting..The guy that was with me on my very first Elk just got his 17th or so in a row at 85 years old.Packed in by horeback and sat down and told to stay put and there it came,again.I wish his brother-in laws would dog for me. I think we all agree.I just took the side that wasn't being told about larger diameter calibers,right or wrong. Jayco
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I'll spend the rest of my elk hunting career with a lightweight 270 Win. Brad - You nasty boy; you bin cheatin' on your 30-06 and your 308. I thought you were all in love with your 308 Montana?
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How many Elk has JJ taken? The Outfitter than I hunt Elk with has had more bad experiences with clients shooting 300 mags and prefers the 30-06 on Elk. Does this mean that the 30-06 is superior to the 300s. No it means that was HIS EXPERIENCE and that is all that it means
By the way Jayco, quote from Boddington "I think I've killed about 20 elk--one spike and the rest a mix of rag horns and huge bulls."
BuzzH has killed 45 Elk over twice as many as Boddington claims to have taken
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Shot this one at 325yds with a 7rm and 160NABs at 3080fps MV avg: ![[Linked Image]](http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/Reloader01/01010049.jpg) The inferior 7mm slug just bounced off, but I was really lucky as it stunned him long enough for me to run down the mountain and slit his throat with a little swiss army knife 
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DINK: I was not really responding so much to you or singling you out,but just needed somewhere to start.... In the case of the 180 in the 7 mag and the 180 in the 300 winmag,I suspect the powder charge would be lighter in the 7RM than in the 300,at max charges for both,and the 180 7 mag load could not be pushed as fast as it could in the 300 so in equal rifles my guess is the 7 mag would kick a bit lighter... As usual, Bob is right. Calculated ft.-lbs. of recoil is a factor of velocity, bullet weight, weight of powder charge, and rifle weight. For felt recoil, you have to factor in the design of the stock, and probably some other, more subjective/psychological factors like muzzle blast, body position, adrenalin, etc.
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...more elk hatin' the 7mm MT 2005 452 yards 30 yard stagger and down: 2010 WY bull...30 yards dropped on the spot with a quartering toward shot to the shoulder: A few weeks later also WY...calf 130 yards lung shot...5 steps and game over: Finally November 28, 2010 last day of the MT season, my 45th elk...382 yards instant drop. I've nothing against the gun writers and gun cranks...but I think they spend too much time fretting over minutia and writing articles to satisfy editors, sponsors, and the fickle public. The primary 3 things elk hunters should worry about when hunting elk is shot placement, shot placement, and shot placement...followed distantly by selecting a decent bullet for their "elk" rifle. The rest is just trivia...and a lot of work/fun. I'll still pack my 338, but I've come to the conclusion that the 7 is a worthy elk rifle...YMMV. Carry on... No comment...... what can you say after Buzz's posts? Jumping off the pinhead now......
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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150gr 7mm NPT from a STW.Can't ask for anything better.imo ![[Linked Image]](http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q319/biff_013/012.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q319/biff_013/013.jpg)
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... and to think that all this time I've been stupidly shootin' them with 308's and 30-06's, and they've been falling over, too.
I guess ignorance really is bliss.
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