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I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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Yep. After reading it I had a hard time deciding on the Bisley version or the standard. I went with the standard.
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"Doing right isn't always easy but it is always right."
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Something about the Bisley that I've never liked the looks of. Love the conventional Peacemaker lines, but not the Bisley, even though I hear they have a lot to recommend them in terms of function.
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TRH, I feel the same way. But as usual, Ross's article almost compells me to go out and buy one anyway.
Looks like he has aged quite a bit since I last saw his work in the Wolfe magazines. From those pictures, he sort of resembles Jeff Cooper a little bit.
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Shoot a Bisley a while and it will look a lot better to you
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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Man, you guys are Lipsey sluts.  A thread-choked revolver that shoots 6-inch groups at 50-yards? Yeah, sign me up...
Forgive me my nonsense, as I also forgive the nonsense of those that think they talk sense.
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To cut to the chase I lapped the 4 5/8� barrel with 60 shots. You can see the results in the photos. In essence the accuracy went from about three inches at 25 yards to about four inches at 100 yards! The accuracy was with the iron sights and in my hands. I suspect if one were to put on a scope and shoot from a benchrest the revolver would be frightening. I gave the 5 �-inch gun another treatment, called a �Taylor Throat.� This involves reaming a short, about �-inch long smooth bore, in the barrel, just past the forcing cone. The Taylor throat does a few things, not the least of which eliminates any thread choke. It also allows the bullet to get into the barrel and be perfectly aligned before we ask it to begin to spin. After the throating I fire lapped this barrel only 12 shots, and it shot just like the 4 �� one. Incidentally it was a barrel just like this, Taylor throated and fire lapped, that I used to fire 1-inch groups at 100 yards, with all six chambers in a revolver! The Taylor Throat is a machining operation for a skilled and knowledgeable gunsmith. Or one day, we hope we might see factory barrels like this right from Ruger. With both revolvers tuned and highly accurate I experimented with some different bullets and loads.
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jwp475,
Thanks for posting that link. I always enjoy reading Ross's articles -- wish he would write more.
Paul
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Because I have a set of paws that my wife calls "tennis raquets" I have always preferred the bisley grip. It just feels better in my hands. I was just last week looking at the Lipsey's website and mulling the purchase of one of these with the 4 5/8" barrel. The next day, a 4 inch 629-1 came through the shop and I picked it up for about a C note less than I would have had to put in the Ruger. I guess I will have to wait on the Ruger...
"The number one problem with America is, a whole lot of people need shot, and nobody is shooting them."
-Master Chief Hershel Davis
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Because I have a set of paws that my wife calls "tennis raquets" I have always preferred the bisley grip. Bisley grips work well for my small hands, too. My SBH went from unshootable to shootable when I installed a Bisley conversion kit from Brownells some years back. - Tom
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Not for me. I enjoyed my Bisley 44 for six months, but it never felt "natural" to me in my tiny paws. I sold it to a board member and bought a standard framed model. That one feels MUCH better to me. Of course, I may simply be so used to the standard grip frame after all these years that anything different might feel wrong to me.
BTW, I took so long doing extensive load workups for it that I was too late to get an article on the Bisley accepted. I apologize to those waiting for it.
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The late Jeff Cooper wrote that one reason the handgun is the most personal of weapons is the physical variation among shooters, especially among their hands. No wonder that personal responses to the Ruger Bisley grip vary so widely.
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I agree completely. Even small differences in 1911 guns are noticable to me and significant.
I've noticed that I like slightly different grips for different purposes. In a 1911, I like a slim(er) grip on a combat pistol, but a fuller grip on a target gun.
Then there are those excellent guns which justy don't feel right. Must be why there are so many makes and models out there. E
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I know the FA97 Round butt fits my hand best....just need the coin
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MSRP is $629.00. Not counting transfer fee, what are these hoglegs going for?
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About $500 over the counter. I got mine for $400 and some trade at a store not known for deep discounts. The non-Bisley versions run for about $430.
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I never liked regular Blackhawks but the Lipsey version suits me very, very well. I love it.
Travis
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His article prompted me to finally go out and firelap my two .44 Flat Tops this weekend. Had to cast some straight WW bullets yesterday morning then load them up with grit.
The bores on both of mine at mid barrel - a standard and a Bisley - are right at .429 to .4295 with throats in the .430 to .431 range, a good situation to have. However, even with those tight bores there is noticeable constriction at the frame.
Gotta go slow with firelapping. I've turned some so-so Rugers into real target grade pieces but also ruined a perfectly good .357 Blackhawk once by being imprudent.
Managed to loosen up the constrictions a bit on both but will get out next weekend and run some more firelap bullets through.
Gunnery, gunnery, gunnery.
Hit the target, all else is twaddle!
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