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Barak.....you need to seriously consider some psychiatric counselling and possible treatment. To post the first paragraph you wrote, on a open forum, was dangerously stupid and to believe your follow-up self serving comments as to a new found maturity has somehow ameliorated your psychotic delusions and paranoia is even more troubling.

Get some help or separate yourself from the normal, innocents in your family.

A homicidal psychopath murdering innocents turns my stomach. NONE of the victims deserved this. I am deeply sympathetic to the familes of the victims and have no inclination towards mercy for the murdering swine who did it.

The ONLY change I'd make to that would be to add "and society" to the last request.

+1.

Yahoo is now saying they are searching for a second guy.

I can see how your argument would hang together for somebody who believes that "politician" is just another job like "plumber" or "farmer" or "doctor."

I don't believe that, though.

Plumbers and farmers and doctors help people. Politicians hurt people. (They'll claim they help people, and they'll produce people who will swear they've been helped, but they can only ever help one person by hurting another person more.) Politicians do the same sorts of things that the State locks private criminals away for; but politicians get away with it because being part of the State makes them special.

Most folks would say that in a situation involving a child, a single mother, and an armed robber escaped from prison, the most important thing is that the child and the mother survive. It'd be better if the armed robber survives too, but if it works out that he doesn't, it's less loss than it would be if the mother or child hadn't made it.

I'm only saying the same thing. To me, a politician is a peg or two lower on the scale than an armed robber.

Exactly. The real travesty is when people (and I use that term loosely) try to use a tragedy such as this to make a political point.



Well said, VA, +1.

Others here have been saying this better than I could find the words for.

Barak, what you posted is at best enormously stupid, or perhaps indicative of a fundamental flaw in your perceptions.

This is the most alarming thing I have seen you post since the time you argued that those founding their own self-governing communities (a la "Barakistan") should have the freedom to abuse their own children if that is what they decide to do.

Birdwatcher

Go ahead: I'm listening.

Attributing evil motivation to all "them" of the other persuasion, and only then "assessing" their involvement, automatically and always leads to easy conclusions and assumptions of "their" involvement and culpability in nefarious acts. Consigning evil before-hand inevitably leads to condemnation. Consigning innocence before-hand inevitably leads to exoneration.

Those whom we approve never do anything bad. Everything that the others do is evil. Every evil act has to be "their" doing.

(For example, like attributing this shootiing to the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, alien invaders, liberals, Democrats, Republicans, conservatives, gun-owners, drug-smugglers, disgruntled voters, ?-wing conspiracies, etc.)

Within seconds and long after JFK was shot, Texans, Southerners, conservatives, gun-owners, right-wingers were assumed responsible. No such collective condemnation followed the discovery that Oswald was a leftist.

Get the facts, then opine and guess.

IMHO, any collective culpability belongs to those among us who cherish and promote discord as somehow admirable, desirable, or delicious. Leave it to kooks to take any consensus to an extreme.

Cole, I have been trying to follow that. IF as described the other suspect is an OLDER man, it smells like a "mentor/student" type of arrangement. That would mean somebody found a homicidal psychopath to do his dirty work. Even going so far as to lay the foundation for an insanity defense.

Which does go DIRECTLY toward doing better, working harder, and not kidding ourselves about threats when identifying lunatics within our midst.

there isnt really anything to add to this except that i couldnt agree more with redneck,i lurked here at the fire for a while before i joined and one of the first discussions i got into involved barak and said right away that he was a loose cannon with a fuse half lit and so i said so and immediately got told to go shove it by him and his supporters, my point is i hope every one can now see that this dude is NUCKING FUTS and would probably be best if was in a straight jacket and a padded room

...or Handler.

To in any way validate an individual taking a life because that person is a politician is sheer lunacy. The people shot, killed or wounded, have no more or less value than anyone else. The fact is, the value of the life, and the right to that life, of the little girl, the judge, the staffer and the congresswoman are all exactly the same.

The guy that did this used a right in order to take away the rights of another. This mass shooting, no better or worse than any other, the shooter should face severe repercussions. After trial, being found guilty, he should be put to death. No different than any other like situation, involving politicians or not.

Hitler had his Reichstag fire to as an excuse for slaughtering Communists. The Lib/Progressives will use this crime to blacken the reputations and motives of any Conservative. This administration does not like any disaster to go to waste, when it can be used for political gain.

Jim

Despite your normally articulate posts Barak, you probably could've worded your thoughts better on this one, my man. You're out on a limb here...

I mean, I don't put politicians on a pedestal either.........


Casey

insanity is running rampant here today

It's true what you say. I think it fits right in with the point Cossatotjoe_redux was making, though. Partisanship is a normal everyday human reflex, whether it makes sense or not. Once it gets pushed to the point of violence, every member of a targeted group is at risk, regardless of his individual specifics, simply because he's a member of the group.

I suspect there are some partisan Democrats who think this was a Tea Party job who are making calls and changing plans right this minute because of it, in fact.

Be rest assured the insanity defense will be asserted as a affirmative defense,and rather soon, I might add. I am not familiar enough with AZ statutes or case law to know of any precedence in regards these asserted defenses,though.

If this third guy played a integral role in this tragedy, it should be quickly ascertained through a look at the guy's computer hard drive and other documentary materials being found during what I suspect is a ongoing "tear it apart" search right now.

Who is going to define "nuts"?--The government?

I mean, given some of the suggestive rhetoric here at the 'fire directed towards Demos/liberals/Obama/Pelosi/Reid......there would be a fair number of 'fire denziens who could be "diagnosed" with a politically driven definition of nuts........

Not one person at that rally packing heat apparently......



Casey