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Re: An interesting 'trick' to get Barnes TSX and TTSX's to shoot well early on. SamOlson #4850549 01/22/11
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,535 Likes: 6 Paradise,Alaska	There were lotsa colors to contrast,which worked nicely.............. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

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Re: An interesting 'trick' to get Barnes TSX and TTSX's to shoot well early on. Big Stick #4850575 01/22/11
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SamOlson Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 43,890 Likes: 7 Hi-Line	Those are right up there with your Pops buck from a year or two ago.

Re: An interesting 'trick' to get Barnes TSX and TTSX's to shoot well early on. SamOlson #4850592 01/22/11
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,535 Likes: 6 Paradise,Alaska	Nawwwwwwww...Pop's take the Prize,by landslide............ Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: An interesting 'trick' to get Barnes TSX and TTSX's to shoot well early on. Palerider3 #4850672 01/22/11
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Coyote_Hunter Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,651 6491 Feet Above Sea Level	Originally Posted by Palerider3 ... Remington 700 ADL 30-06 with a 22" barrel, 1/10 twist and was trying to shoot the Barnes 168 gr TTSX. ... so 150 TTSX it is. 165 MRX gave me good results with 57-57.5 gr IMR 4350... Originally Posted by Palerider3 I may ... A friend of a friend of mine has a chrono, I may see if I can use his. If I did this what velocity range am I looking to obtain. The gun is going to be used as a hunting rifle, so while I want to get the absolute tightest group possible I want to make sure that I can make a quick, clean, ethical kill out to about 350 yds max. Since MV controls many of the factors of calculating bullet drop it would be nice to have a chrono. Also, how did you control the neck tension with the bullet seated out to 0.070" off the lands (Redding Type S bushing dies, which I don't own). Problem with my rifle is that when measuring the distance to the lands the bullet is just about out of the case... Palerider3 � First, using your friend�s chrono is a good idea. The reason I use .5g powder increments and look for a string of shots that provide good accuracy and consistent velocity increases is that such strings generally represent a sweet spot that is tolerant of minor variations in powder charges. I much prefer to use a load in the middle of such a string for that reason. What kind of velocity can you expect? Every rifle is different but my two Ruger .30-06s both run about 2900fps with the 168g TTSX and H4350. I load them at 2813fps for my son-in-law�s Savage .30-06. Last time I chrono�d an MRX in one of my .30-06s it was running 2861fps with H4350. All have 22� barrels. Haven�t tried anything in 150�s except the AccuBond, so I can�t help with Barnes 150g velocities. What do I do to control neck tension? Not much. I�m a fanatic on case length and trim fairly regularly. I full-length size the cases (I build good hunting ammo, not match ammo) and if I have cases .005� over trim length, I trim the whole batch. Other than making sure I have adequate seating depth inside the neck, I don�t do anything special for neck tension � no crimping except on my straight-wall rifle and pistol cases. My preference is to seat to the bottom of the neck, or very close to it. I�ve often joked that in some of my rifles the bullets couldn�t touch the lands with a stick. My Bob is that way and it is a hell of a shooter. For 350 yards you don�t need super accurate ammo unless you are shooting 13-stripe ground squirrels -- 2� at 100 is more than adequate for antelope and up at 350 yards, no matter how unsatisfactory they may be for you personally. (Such accuracy in a bolt gun would not make me happy, either.) Hope this helps. Coyote Hunter - NRA Patriot Life, NRA Whittington Center Life, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE! No, I'm not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #1's. A good .30-06 is a 99% solution.

Re: An interesting 'trick' to get Barnes TSX and TTSX's to shoot well early on. Coyote_Hunter #4850679 01/22/11
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,535 Likes: 6 Paradise,Alaska	Shaking my head................(again) Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

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Re: An interesting 'trick' to get Barnes TSX and TTSX's to shoot well early on. Big Stick #4850727 01/22/11
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Bruzer Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,395 Georgia Woods	Originally Posted by Big Stick I hear good things about the Ti 7-08's. They don't shoot X's though,huh?.................. Oh I got it to shoot a little before I sent it on it's way. Not much use for a pencil barrelled mountain rifle down in the swamps....though I would have made a spot if it had shot the way I wanted it to. Bruz Bruz "You can't scare me.........I have kids"

Re: An interesting 'trick' to get Barnes TSX and TTSX's to shoot well early on. RDFinn #4850733 01/22/11
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Bruzer Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,395 Georgia Woods	Beautiful pics by the way. Robert Bruz "You can't scare me.........I have kids"

Re: An interesting 'trick' to get Barnes TSX and TTSX's to shoot well early on. Bruzer #4850737 01/22/11
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,535 Likes: 6 Paradise,Alaska	Hell...I musta got a "bad" one. Points awarded for the humor,with the '414 and the 2.735" COAL!.............. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: An interesting 'trick' to get Barnes TSX and TTSX's to shoot well early on. Big Stick #4850761 01/22/11
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Coyote_Hunter Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,651 6491 Feet Above Sea Level	Originally Posted by Big Stick Shaking my head................(again) Shake it all you like. I have better things to do than care. Coyote Hunter - NRA Patriot Life, NRA Whittington Center Life, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE! No, I'm not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #1's. A good .30-06 is a 99% solution.

Re: An interesting 'trick' to get Barnes TSX and TTSX's to shoot well early on. Coyote_Hunter #4850774 01/22/11
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,535 Likes: 6 Paradise,Alaska	Which is why you Posted yet another whine,to elaborate upon your gross stupidity. No need,it's well beyond obvious................ Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

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Re: An interesting 'trick' to get Barnes TSX and TTSX's to shoot well early on. Big Stick #4850869 01/23/11
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Klikitarik Campfire Ranger Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 17,491 Alaska - N63º, W162º	Originally Posted by Big Stick Which is why you Posted yet another whine,to elaborate upon your gross stupidity. No need,it's well beyond obvious................ You do "pompous" and condescension well enough that you could forgo the personal put-downs. Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.

Re: An interesting 'trick' to get Barnes TSX and TTSX's to shoot well early on. Big Stick #4851253 01/23/11
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Coyote_Hunter Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,651 6491 Feet Above Sea Level	Congratulations, Big Stick. Over the years I�ve only put 2-3 people on my �Ignore� lists. You just got added to that list. Have a nice life. Coyote Hunter - NRA Patriot Life, NRA Whittington Center Life, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE! No, I'm not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #1's. A good .30-06 is a 99% solution.

Re: An interesting 'trick' to get Barnes TSX and TTSX's to shoot well early on. Klikitarik #4851378 01/23/11
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,535 Likes: 6 Paradise,Alaska	Originally Posted by Klikitarik Originally Posted by Big Stick Which is why you Posted yet another whine,to elaborate upon your gross stupidity. No need,it's well beyond obvious................ You do "pompous" and condescension well enough that you could forgo the personal put-downs. Facts ain't personal................ Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: An interesting 'trick' to get Barnes TSX and TTSX's to shoot well early on. Coyote_Hunter #4851385 01/23/11
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,535 Likes: 6 Paradise,Alaska	Originally Posted by Coyote_Hunter Congratulations, Big Stick. Over the years I�ve only put 2-3 people on my �Ignore� lists. You just got added to that list. Have a nice life. Only you,can prevent you...from saying something stupid. Good luck on "Ignore" curing that!............... Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: An interesting 'trick' to get Barnes TSX and TTSX's to shoot well early on. Big Stick #4851458 01/23/11
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Bruzer Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,395 Georgia Woods	Originally Posted by Big Stick Hell...I musta got a "bad" one. Points awarded for the humor,with the '414 and the 2.735" COAL!.............. Im glad I could add to your humor. Tried Varget,tried 120s,140s, tried many different seating depths. This was the best I could get her to do. Granted I could have changed and worked with many different loads but I had no need. My LVSF 7/08 shot in the .2s on occasion and in the .5s regularly with 43.5gr of Varget and 140 TSXs and anyone can shoot 1-5 groups really tight....the aggregate is where the story lies. Notice the COAL Bruz "You can't scare me.........I have kids"

Re: An interesting 'trick' to get Barnes TSX and TTSX's to shoot well early on. Bruzer #4851473 01/23/11
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,535 Likes: 6 Paradise,Alaska	Improved Cylinder? Varget and COAL noted,you have a very wicked sense of humor! Obliged............... Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: An interesting 'trick' to get Barnes TSX and TTSX's to shoot well early on. Big Stick #4851897 01/23/11
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Bruzer Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,395 Georgia Woods	Originally Posted by Big Stick Improved Cylinder? Varget and COAL noted,you have a very wicked sense of humor! Obliged............... Yep...went to a Full here though. Bruz "You can't scare me.........I have kids"

Re: An interesting 'trick' to get Barnes TSX and TTSX's to shoot well early on. Bruzer #4851908 01/23/11
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,535 Likes: 6 Paradise,Alaska	I live in 1st Gen Ti 7-08 Country,with the highest per capita concentration on the Planet. All dazzle,though none are at sub 2.8" COAL's or suffer '414,Varget or any other brainfarts...if only for conversation............... Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: An interesting 'trick' to get Barnes TSX and TTSX's to shoot well early on. Big Stick #4851945 01/23/11
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Bruzer Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,395 Georgia Woods	Originally Posted by Big Stick I live in 1st Gen Ti 7-08 Country,with the highest per capita concentration on the Planet. All dazzle,though none are at sub 2.8" COAL's or suffer '414,Varget or any other brainfarts...if only for conversation............... I'll take a sub .5" "brain fart" all day long....oh the suffering. Bruz "You can't scare me.........I have kids"

Re: An interesting 'trick' to get Barnes TSX and TTSX's to shoot well early on. Bruzer #4851962 01/23/11
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,535 Likes: 6 Paradise,Alaska	I can make mine shoot that big,but the temps gotta be low,I need to be soaked and the wind needs to be beyond "brisk",to lower my core temp enough to get me shaking that much. Would love to hear speeds too,so if only to letcha REALLY ring the bell.............. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

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