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"I am planning on steeling your water why would I need a well...."

A fella here asked me one day if I wanted to go shoot a nilgai. I said, "Hell yeah"! Then he told me where and how. He wanted to go in my boat into Baffin bay, pull up to shore and walk in from there, shoot the nilgai and drag it back to the boat. After I picked up my jaw off the floor and stopped making the sign of the cross to ward off evil, I asked him if he was serious. He said, "yes" that some guy at work had done it. I told him he was crazy but I wasn't. First off those folks will kill you, second a nilgai is as big as a cow, and thirdly those folks will kill you. I don't know if he ever gave that a try. Don't want to know. He's still alive and walking on his own so I reckon not.

Alan

when i was in high school i got invited to hunt on Jack Storms ranch down in Premont. Jack Jr had a place cut in the king ranch fence line, he would drive his jeep through. he wanted to know if i wanted to get one of them Santa Gertrudis steers. I was young 15 but not dumb.The way he made it sound he hunted there more than their own ranch which had bucks most only dream about.

As long as you slathered a homemade Hollandaise sauce on them, set 'em on a slab of Canuck bacon atop a toasted, buttered muffin', well, I think you oughta' get a pass. Just watch yourself though.

L

P.S. 9.7!

Having grown up on a farm. douche bags like nemesis seriously pi$$ me off. When I was a teenager, I was heading up to one of the hay fields, to sit in a tree with my longbow for the last few hours of the day. As I'm pulling through the gate, I see movement at the back of the field, and I'll be damned if it isn't some idiot in full camo hustling his a$$ out of my stand! Now I'm really PO's, and start heading that way. He sees me coming and lays down to hide. We weren't able to get a third cutting due to weather late that summer, so the hay is damn near knee high. I point the truck at the last place I saw him, and figured if he's dumb enough to stay there, I'm going to run his a$$ over. I get within 30 yards or so, and he jumps up waving his arms like a nut! It turns out, he's one of the neighbors we don't care for, and have caught him several times before. I tell him to get the f out, which he didn't really appreciate coming from a kid, but he left. I still laugh like hell, seeing that nitwit jump up in front of me waving! Kinda glad he didn't stay put, as he'd of gotten run over, and not sure if that would have been such a smart thing to do, on my part.

Jeff

It was just a matter of time before his mouth ran him outta here. Nemesis never contributed much to the fire.

Outlaw country...no-man's land in between the Sabine and Angelina Rivers is east Texas is where I come from, and still live. NathanL knows what I say. Even then, poaching came to a standstill when it changed from a Class C Misdemeanor to a felony, a few years back. Consequences work.

true, there use to be a prominent lawyer from Kingsville that use to get caught poaching the Kingranch almost every year. all he had to do was walk out his front door cross the street and jump a fence. My dad asked him why he kept doing it and he said it was cheaper to pay the $250 fine(back in the 70s) than to pay for a lease.

This guy ought to be careful lest some serious assed land owner goes Braveheart on his poaching punkass! Cut and quartered and staked to a pole at the four corners of the land in question...William Wallace style!

I worked for Walsh Storm and his son Phillip in the 80s on their place over in Realitos. NO poaching there. Everybody hunted on the "Long Ranch".

Alan

Oh Yeah, and whatever Nemesis is doing when he crosses a fence, enters private property uninvited, hunts, and kills something is;

POACHING

Alan

If I'm out on my property, which is well and visibly posted, and I see an individual or group of individuals on my property with weapons, I have to make some basic assumptions. One is that they are already breaking the law by being where it is clearly evident that they should not be. The second is that they are armed, and I don't have a clue to what their intent is. I'm going to approach these individuals with the assumption that they are up to no good, and willing to escalate. I will have my weapon out and at low ready when I challenge them, and if I perceive a threat from them I will eliminate that threat.

Obviously if they're not armed it would change how I approach things, but that wasn't the topic. We are speaking about armed trespass with the intent to poach or steal. I would have to make a determination as to level of force, and that would depend upon how the trespasser was armed and distances involved. Bow v. handgun at 50 yards, or bow v. rifle at any distance would result in a much less aggressive response than rifle v. rifle, or multiple trespassers. Either way, if you're confronting anyone with a weapon who has shown a willingness to break the law, you have to assume the worst. It would be foolish to do otherwise.

Absolutely, no where in my comment did I see an inference to shooting a person.

How clear do I have to make it for you?


I think 'ol Nem is a giant prick who tries to throw his weight around and I got tired of it and decided to call him on it.

You want to defend an avowed poacher, be my guest.

2K? 2K?
I don't think so. More like $2-400. 2K is felony territory [/quote

Really ,tell that to the guy I caught last year.Him and his kid paid 2 g`s a piece.

Good point. You got me on that one.

A better choice of words would have been:

After I wrote what looked like a personal attack, which it was not meant to be, I wished I would have worded it differently, or not said anything at all.
Apologies to you Scott.

There's a man with great integrity to apoligize for something like that. Kudos 700.

OK; appreciate and respect the response. Thanks.

I run cattle on this place and hunt there on occasion - with permission, and I ask each time I go hunting.



Confrontations with trespassers can get touchy. I think it is usually the people who do not own any property, or at best own a postage stamp sized yard in the city and would absolutely go ballistic if your chihuahua took a dump over their line.

I can think of three confrontations I was involved in that got out of hand. Truthfully, one still bothers me a great deal to this day, even though it happened around 30 years ago. I politely told a trespassing father and his probably pre-teen son that they were trespassing and would have to leave. Pops reacted loudly and violently and tried to point his rifle at me. I sincerely hope that he feels a great deal of shame - to this day, and every day - for what his son had to witness.

I'm certainly no badass and never look for trouble, but the concept of returning to or hunting on land where you have been turned away is pure BS. One of the three instances mentioned above was exactly that situation - my late 105lbs mom told some guys that drove up in the lane to hunt that they were not welcome. Their solution was to drive away about 100 yards and start gearing up. Cocky enough to think that no 105 lbs woman was going to boss them around. They should have been smart enough to pay attention to all of the vehicles parked around the house.

Is anyone surprised that it is hard to get permission to hunt someone else's property with this kind of crap going on?
Is anyone really surprised that the harsh signs like I mentioned earlier exist?
I, for one, would never consider testing the owners to see if they were serious.

My home place is marked with simple homemade plywood "No Trespassing" signs placed in obvious places. We own another farm in a place where purple paint on a tree is adequate marking, and another in an area where the local paper publishes a list of "posted" properties. It is your responsibility to check the local paper, no additional markings beyond the public notice is required to identify the land as posted.

Our family is a good example of why a lot of ground is not open to public access (ignoring the damage done by trespassers). Mom and dad had six kids. I can remember as a little kid that dad freely granted access. Then us boys started hunting so he restricted the non-family access to his close friends only. Now us 6 kids are parents and grandparents and we have the hunters of those two generations of kids that are hunting our little spot. Really ain't no room for anyone else outside of the family.