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My concern would be that a show like this could convince other "Jacks" out there that this long-range hunting is much easier than it really is. Is there some product (on the show) that is suppose to make this type of shooting less complicated?
Stupid is supposed to be painful  Good point.
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Bring some elk shoulders and a pocket of hundred dollar bills out to Laramie. I will gladly light them up with Bergers. We can stop when you get tired of handing me bills. Deal?
Unlike you, I have experience shooting Bergers. My freezer thanks me.
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Bring some elk shoulders and a pocket of hundred dollar bills out to Laramie. I will gladly light them up with Bergers. We can stop when you get tired of handing me bills. Deal?
Unlike you, I have experience shooting Bergers. My freezer thanks me. ..........Agree! I`ll be happy to join you along with "ANY" VLD detractor, relieve some of these VLD opponents from their money, taking a few 100s (Benjamins) myself.
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Shouldn't you lil' fellars be out on the playground, trying to bully someone else. 
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Shouldn't you lil' fellars be out on the playground, trying to bully someone else. ............Get over yourself. Nobody has or is bullying anybody!
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Shouldn't you lil' fellars be out on the playground, trying to bully someone else. How does one "bully" someone on the internet? Is the keyboard realy able to perform such a task? AH the Drama of it all
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Shouldn't you lil' fellars be out on the playground, trying to bully someone else. ............Get over yourself. Nobody has or is bullying anybody! I assumed the discussions/disagreements could be kept half-way civil, without all the Neanderthal "wanna make a bet!" comments.
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All depends on how a guy looks at it. If two friends are sitting around a fire and one fellow thinks his horse runs faster than the other fellow it only seems natural that a test would ensue and that there might be a few good natured wagers placed on the outcome. Might even be how horse racing started.  Seem the same to some of us that if some guys want to say our bullet of choice bounces off elk shoulders we might be interested in a test and good natured wager. 
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Mike has plenty of posts on this thread with no actual experience sending a Berger bullet into an elk shoulder.
Some of us have and would like to make a wager.
If Mike has a bad experience to share with us about popping elk with Bergers, I am more than interested in him sharing the details of said bad experience. Right now he is guessing...
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Mike has plenty of posts on this thread with no actual experience sending a Berger bullet into an elk shoulder.
Some of us have and would like to make a wager.
If Mike has a bad experience to share with us about popping elk with Bergers, I am more than interested in him sharing the details of said bad experience. Right now he is guessing... If the Berger is more than a "cup and core", please let me know. Until then, I have no interest in using one on a big game animal. Why does that bother you?
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I tried, Smokepole tried... lets try one more time.
Why do you feel the need to comment and continue to comment on a thread about Berger bullets in the elk hunting forum when you have no, none, nada, zip experience shooting elk with a Berger bullet?
You are guessing at best.
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I tried, Smokepole tried... lets try one more time.
Why do you feel the need to comment and continue to comment on a thread about Berger bullets in the elk hunting forum when you have no, none, nada, zip experience shooting elk with a Berger bullet?
You are guessing at best. If the Berger is more than a "cup and core", please let me know. Until then, I have no interest in using one on a big game animal. Why does that bother you?
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The "I have used these bullets on game and you have not" argument is not valid. It still all stems from personal opinion. A hunter could walk up to a kicking animal that has had the 'entrance' front shoulder turned to mush. In these days of Hollywood special effects, that hunter could be very impressed with the performance of his bullet. If the kicking animal dropped right there, the hunter could believe there is no better bullet out there. Quite possibly, this hypothetical has actually occurred in the field somewhere. For me, that kind of terminal performance is not desirable. There has been many head of game taken with VLD's. Undoubtedly, a good portion of those bullets performed great. Again, my concern is with the bullets that have been shown to perform marginally (even if game was brought to bag). My opinion or definition of marginal performance may differ from others. I do enjoy conducting penetration tests, which you are welcome to discount. Please read this second time through.
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I tried, Smokepole tried... lets try one more time.
Why do you feel the need to comment and continue to comment on a thread about Berger bullets in the elk hunting forum when you have no, none, nada, zip experience shooting elk with a Berger bullet?
You are guessing at best. ...........Because Werner has pre-conceived notions and opinions of what the proper elk bullet should be??? The "hunting" VLDs don`t qualify in his opinion.
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I tried, Smokepole tried... lets try one more time.
Why do you feel the need to comment and continue to comment on a thread about Berger bullets in the elk hunting forum when you have no, none, nada, zip experience shooting elk with a Berger bullet?
You are guessing at best. ...........Because Werner has pre-conceived notions and opinions of what the proper elk bullet should be??? The "hunting" VLDs don`t qualify in his opinion. Or, possibly a conceived notion of what an elk bullet should NOT be?
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I tried, Smokepole tried... lets try one more time.
Why do you feel the need to comment and continue to comment on a thread about Berger bullets in the elk hunting forum when you have no, none, nada, zip experience shooting elk with a Berger bullet?
You are guessing at best. ...........Because Werner has pre-conceived notions and opinions of what the proper elk bullet should be??? The "hunting" VLDs don`t qualify in his opinion. Or, possibly a conceived notion of what an elk bullet should NOT be? ..........What an elk bullet "should "NOT be" by your standards, doesn`t always apply to others.
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..........What an elk bullet "should "NOT be" by your standards, doesn`t always apply to others. Understood. Your argument is so convincing, I am going to call my congressman back and cancel my request that they 'outlaw' the Berger as a big game bullet in Iowa.
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..........What an elk bullet "should "NOT be" by your standards, doesn`t always apply to others. Understood. Your argument is so convincing, I am going to call my congressman back and cancel my request that they 'outlaw' the Berger as a big game bullet in Iowa. .............If your congressman were to outlaw the VLD in Iowa, then he`s probably a damned liberal!.... 
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Can you even hunt with a rifle in an "I" state?
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..........What an elk bullet "should "NOT be" by your standards, doesn`t always apply to others. Understood. Your argument is so convincing, I am going to call my congressman back and cancel my request that they 'outlaw' the Berger as a big game bullet in Iowa. .............If your congressman were to outlaw the VLD in Iowa, then he`s probably a damned liberal!.... That is a given, unfortunately.
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