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#4861602 - 01/25/11 Re: Winchester Re-Introduces The .348 Model 71 [Re: eh76]  
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"WWII has been over for a while.'

I think we won that one, didn't we? Made'em surrender, if I recall correctly. We shoulda done the same thing to the North Koreans.

Savage_99,
Sorry you lost your uncle. I can understand you carryin' a grudge on account of something like that. Just remember..we avenged your uncle with 2 bombs. Your country TCB'ed on that.

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#4862244 - 01/25/11 Re: Winchester Re-Introduces The .348 Model 71 [Re: DELGUE]  
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For what Win is asking for these, wait time, and tang safety; you can usually find a like new Browning 71 and still have enough $ left to buy reloading tools!

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#4906384 - 02/06/11 Re: Winchester Re-Introduces The .348 Model 71 [Re: 405wcf]  
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I'm pretty sure you can pick up original standard model 71 rifles for around $1500 still. They might not be pristine but they will at least be a "WINCHESTER" !!! crazy Don

#4944737 - 02/16/11 Re: Winchester Re-Introduces The .348 Model 71 [Re: Loggah]  
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Those who grouse about a buying a Japanese made rifle might want to look at their work first. The finest made rifle (and THE most accurate) I've ever owned was a Weatherby Mk.V (Japanese manufactured) .270 WM. I won't even tell you how well that gun shot for fear of being ridiculed. Fit and finish were absolutely superb. If I had an extra $1,500 lay'n around in my gun budget, I'd buy one of those '71s in a heart beat.

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#4944804 - 02/16/11 Re: Winchester Re-Introduces The .348 Model 71 [Re: PeterCartwright]  
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Peter, Nothing wrong with a japanese rifle for a hunting rifle,my point is an original Winchester 71 will not only shoot well, but it will retain its value as an investment also. Don

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#4945271 - 02/16/11 Re: Winchester Re-Introduces The .348 Model 71 [Re: Loggah]  
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There is no pride, common sense or logic to buy a jap made gun. They have helped put many of our manufactures out of business and this is after starting World War Two, killing, maiming and torturing untold numbers of innocent woman, children and men.

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#4947027 - 02/16/11 Re: Winchester Re-Introduces The .348 Model 71 [Re: Savage_99]  
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Originally Posted by Savage_99
There is no pride, common sense or logic to buy a jap made gun. They have helped put many of our manufactures out of business and this is after starting World War Two, killing, maiming and torturing untold numbers of innocent woman, children and men.



Yup and lets all stand up and cheer for what the United States Government did for the Native peoples of the North American continent. It was so wonderful the way those Indians were treated....
Sheesh don't look at the sticker on the backside of your computer.


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#4947088 - 02/16/11 Re: Winchester Re-Introduces The .348 Model 71 [Re: Ranch13]  
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Originally Posted by Ranch13
Yup and lets all stand up and cheer for what the United States Government did for the Native peoples of the North American continent. It was so wonderful the way those Indians were treated....
Sheesh don't look at the sticker on the backside of your computer.



Getting way off topic, but what else is new around here? Fact is the White man didn't do anything to the American Indians or the Africans that their own people didn't do to them first. (Slavery, wars, pushing one tribe off of certain land, etc.)

Back to the point, I'd rather have an original as well. Hopefully one of these days I will...


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#4947094 - 02/16/11 Re: Winchester Re-Introduces The .348 Model 71 [Re: Savage_99]  
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Originally Posted by Savage_99
There is no pride, common sense or logic to buy a jap made gun. They have helped put many of our manufactures out of business and this is after starting World War Two, killing, maiming and torturing untold numbers of innocent woman, children and men.

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#4948868 - 02/17/11 Re: Winchester Re-Introduces The .348 Model 71 [Re: cal74]  
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Originally Posted by cal74
[Getting way off topic, ...


Take it up with Savage 99 he's twice in this thread shown he's a dumbass and don't know history or know Germany started World War 2.


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#4959314 - 02/19/11 Re: Winchester Re-Introduces The .348 Model 71 [Re: Savage_99]  
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The Japs attacked Pearl Harbor in 1941. By this time WW2 had been going on since 1939. Here's the kicker, our people had broken the Japanese code, and were monitoring their communications. The only people surprised by Pearl Harbor were the the poor dumb bastards sacrificed so Americans would be pissed enough to go to war.
Previous to this event, America suspended sales of scrap metal to Japan. Japan, having little in the way of steel manufacturing, was heavily dependent upon those sales. Analysts knew it would pressure the Island nation.
Wake was another giveaway. The Japs had their hands full with the spirited defense put up by the small American garrison, but the brass, and the navy, decided to let them hang.
Lots of Americans were killed by the Japanese in WW2. How many of these deaths happened because of strategic choices made by American high command? Most, if not all.
A soldier cannot decide their fate, they do as they are ordered to do, even if these orders mean they will be sacrificed, and killed.
By the way, the same holds true for the Japs.
Our manufacturing has been off shored because the geniuses who run manufacturing care more about their own profit than the well being of their country. It just so happens that they have bought American politicians to make it all happen.
I'm not happy that most of the Winchester offerings are imports, but the truth is that these imports really are well made, well functioning examples.
Miroku uses premium steel, and their fit and finish is very well executed.
No, these will never match the craftsmanship of the real Winchester 71 made by Americans hands, but then those hands are long gone, as is the factory they were made in.

#4967660 - 02/22/11 Re: Winchester Re-Introduces The .348 Model 71 [Re: Mak]  
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The people who run our land, in the USA have let Japan and others buy up realistate and let manufacturers move plants out of our country to Japan (Steel Industry back in the mid 70's) We purchase more than you think from those countries. Just don't ever forget Dec. 7 1941 and remember their sacrifice!

Nowdays try buying something with a tag on it that says made in the USA!


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#4968174 - 02/22/11 Re: Winchester Re-Introduces The .348 Model 71 [Re: Mak]  
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Originally Posted by Mak
The Japs attacked Pearl Harbor in 1941. By this time WW2 had been going on since 1939. Here's the kicker, our people had broken the Japanese code, and were monitoring their communications. The only people surprised by Pearl Harbor were the the poor dumb bastards sacrificed so Americans would be pissed enough to go to war.

Historical urban legend at it's worst. We were decoding about one word in ten all the way through 1942. While I'll agree we should have seen this coming we did not have their codes broken to the extent it would have given us a date certain for the attack. The only thing we knew for sure was about twelve hours before the attack when the jap embassy was told to destroy all their encoding gear. At Wake Island the Navy had indeed launched a relief force but when Major Deveraux sent out a very poorly worded message "situation still in doubt" and nothing else, CINCPAC though they were on the verge of losing and with only one operational carrier at the time, we pulled back. I can't fault you for not buying jap stuff, no problem at all, but your historical perspective is totally off the mark.
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#4968442 - 02/22/11 Re: Winchester Re-Introduces The .348 Model 71 [Re: Ranch13]  
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Originally Posted by Ranch13
Originally Posted by cal74
[Getting way off topic, ...


Take it up with Savage 99 he's twice in this thread shown he's a dumbass and don't know history or know Germany started World War 2.



Germany started the war....but Japan brought the US into the war.. it all started for the US when Japan attacked, so to some people of the US may view Japan as "Starting" the war and they are not totally incorrect.

#4977221 - 02/24/11 Re: Winchester Re-Introduces The .348 Model 71 [Re: 257STEW]  
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My son inherited an original 71 from my ex father in law. He sold it for $150 to raise money for a down payment on his house.


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#4977380 - 02/24/11 Re: Winchester Re-Introduces The .348 Model 71 [Re: saddlesore]  
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Wish i could come across a deal like that!!! $150...next you will tell us it was like new.....

#4977581 - 02/24/11 Re: Winchester Re-Introduces The .348 Model 71 [Re: Mak]  
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Originally Posted by Mak
The Japs attacked Pearl Harbor in 1941. By this time WW2 had been going on since 1939. Here's the kicker, our people had broken the Japanese code, and were monitoring their communications. The only people surprised by Pearl Harbor were the the poor dumb bastards sacrificed so Americans would be pissed enough to go to war.
Previous to this event, America suspended sales of scrap metal to Japan. Japan, having little in the way of steel manufacturing, was heavily dependent upon those sales. Analysts knew it would pressure the Island nation.
Wake was another giveaway. The Japs had their hands full with the spirited defense put up by the small American garrison, but the brass, and the navy, decided to let them hang.
Lots of Americans were killed by the Japanese in WW2. How many of these deaths happened because of strategic choices made by American high command? Most, if not all.
A soldier cannot decide their fate, they do as they are ordered to do, even if these orders mean they will be sacrificed, and killed.
By the way, the same holds true for the Japs.
Our manufacturing has been off shored because the geniuses who run manufacturing care more about their own profit than the well being of their country. It just so happens that they have bought American politicians to make it all happen.
I'm not happy that most of the Winchester offerings are imports, but the truth is that these imports really are well made, well functioning examples.
Miroku uses premium steel, and their fit and finish is very well executed.
No, these will never match the craftsmanship of the real Winchester 71 made by Americans hands, but then those hands are long gone, as is the factory they were made in.



If you want to recite ww 2 history you may want to look at September 1931. Look at the entire war not just the part that makes your personal point.

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#4978515 - 02/24/11 Re: Winchester Re-Introduces The .348 Model 71 [Re: 8mmwapiti]  
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It is accepted history that the Japanese code was broken before the Pearl Harbor attack. WW2 began in 1939, NOT 1931. If you want to be a smart ass, at least your dates correct.

#4978698 - 02/24/11 Re: Winchester Re-Introduces The .348 Model 71 [Re: Mak]  
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Originally Posted by Mak
It is accepted history that the Japanese code was broken before the Pearl Harbor attack. WW2 began in 1939, NOT 1931. If you want to be a smart ass, at least your dates correct.


In September 1931 the Japanese invaded Manchuria and China and approximately 20 million Chinese died by the end of ww 2. But to some I have to conclude you are among them dead Chinese do not count.

And many on the fire would appreciated it (I am one of the many) if you could keep the discussion civil and not resort to the juvenile use of profanity and name calling.

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#4978870 - 02/24/11 Re: Winchester Re-Introduces The .348 Model 71 [Re: 8mmwapiti]  
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I have a Japanese 1895 in 405. It's a very nicely made rifle. I am tempted by the 71. The run of 92's is tempting too.

#4978943 - 02/24/11 Re: Winchester Re-Introduces The .348 Model 71 [Re: North61]  
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