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308 does 90+% of an 06 with half the recoil whats not too like ? In a short action I'd rather have a 7/08. As to having 90% of a 30/06 why bother when I can have 100%? And mostly these comparisons don't work out when they run up against the cold, hard chronographs.... I've learned over the years not to push little cartridges to do the work of bigger cartridges...generally it leads to waives of dissapointment....if I want a certain velocity level, I get a case that does it easily. 
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The 7-08 is 110%...................
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I don't hate the .308, it's excellent in the M-60 and M-14 that it was designed for. Got that one backwards, as par for the course you play on.
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It'd be remiss to not say that them wares wouldn't shine brighter in 7-08....................... Never could understand why Nato settled on the 7.62 unless R+D DOD felt they had to counter all the AK-47's out there with 30 cal.The knowledge of the 7mm bore on that case was known many moons before the 7.62 was adopted..just think it woulda been a better choice overall..I can't say too much evil against it as I'd wager I've shot waaay more 7.62 than most folks specially out of a mini gun with devastating results but still a 7mm on a M60 or M14 woulda been sweet 
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Bean Counters ain't a very good barometer of evaluation..................(grin)
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Ah come on FlyboyFlem--- Fill me in on what a 7 mm would do in an M-60 that the good old 7.62 wouldn't do? YA lost me on that one. --- I often heard that they made a stronger linkage for the Mini than the regular M-60 linkage in Vietnam. Ever here of that?? Web
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I think the Brits wanted to sized the nato round down to 7mm thus creating the 7mm-08 back then, but us americans are a 30-caliber nation thus made the push to keep it a 30-caliber round thus the 308win/nato.
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I think the Brits wanted to sized the nato round down to 7mm thus creating the 7mm-08 back then, but us americans are a 30-caliber nation thus made the push to keep it a 30-caliber round thus the 308win/nato. Sounds like the 300 win mag and 308 Norma scenerio. Wish winchester would of just necked down the 338 and called it good. The Brits wern't dummies.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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308 does 90+% of an 06 with half the recoil whats not too like ? In a short action I'd rather have a 7/08. As to having 90% of a 30/06 why bother when I can have 100%? And mostly these comparisons don't work out when they run up against the cold, hard chronographs.... I've learned over the years not to push little cartridges to do the work of bigger cartridges...generally it leads to waives of dissapointment....if I want a certain velocity level, I get a case that does it easily. now i do like a 7-08 very well to got 2 of them and shot a lot of deer with them. Now as for picking one to take hunting on a given day if 308. 7-08 and even an 06 were setting there ready to go i would take which ever gun i liked best and worry little about which if the 3 it were shooting . i do have 308 right now that i love to carry and shoot it does shoot 165 NBT and 168 barnes ttsx at 2740 which means an 06 would have to shoot a lttle over 3000 to gain that 10% but in the field dought any critter would notice
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The 7mm-08 is as good as the .243 but with more recoil.
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Everyone who shoots as "much" as you,would concur.
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Ah come on FlyboyFlem--- Fill me in on what a 7 mm would do in an M-60 that the good old 7.62 wouldn't do? YA lost me on that one. --- I often heard that they made a stronger linkage for the Mini than the regular M-60 linkage in Vietnam. Ever here of that?? Web I damn sure not knockin it as I'm sure you shot your fair share but always felt a 7 would have provided somewhat less wind drift and flatter trajectory.Course when you got boolits yellin get out the way when there coming several inches apart it don't make much diff !!! My whole experience was shooting the 7.62 from the the air..I know how much target deflection was dialed in and I know it would have been considerably less with the 7mm round.Watchin a solid stream of boolits bend in a precarious arc towards the bad guys with the good guys close by is a very nerve racking endeavor!! 
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I have a feeling the .308win will be around killing stuff and hitting targets at various ranges for a long while to come..
Personally, I'm fond of the .308win, if only for nostalgic reasons. In its military guise, the young fella in the avatar on the left carried one on and off for many years, and it never let him down..
So while I am quite open minded about trying other rounds, the .308win "veteran" status earns it a place in my safe and I don't see it changing any time soon..
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I used to hate 308 thinking it shoudl be limited to automatic military guns or something. then through a trade where someone who had killed everything with his rem 700 in 308, wanted a bango magnum I had. I figured it would make future trading stock, but I went out to shoot the thing and very tiny, tiny groups totally changed my mind on the round, its usefulness and the fun I have had shooting it.
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What other chamberings don't do that?.....................(grin)
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All this talk about the 308 reminds me of my last outing with my 308's and developing loads for my 2 new rifles. Here's a picture of the aggregate of around 60 shots fired at a target with my win model 70 FWT. The loads consisted of RE-15 and Varget charged casings. It's interesting to make note of the aggregate too. The group seems big at around 3 inches, but it is about 5 different loadings with the 2 different powders. Sometimes the target backboard will tell you more about consistency than the target will : ![[Linked Image]](http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x401/chiefbsa/008-11.jpg) Now that I have a good load developed, the aggregate should be much smaller than this one .
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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.308 is a good round, especially for the handloader. I have one that shoots 150 gr. Ballistic Tips into a 3/8" clover leaf group, 165 gr. BT's about as good. I just loaded some 130 gr. TTSX's at 3,150 fps (52 gr. Varget). That load shoots 5/8" groups and should be a great whitetail load. The BT's can be a bit friable on some targets, so I'm trying the TTSX's for tougher targets, like mud crusted boar hogs. That bullet at that speed should put their lights out, pronto. We'll see pretty soon.
Easy to load, good brass available, accurate, versatile, available in a good offering of rifles. Where's the down side?
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Ah come on FlyboyFlem--- Fill me in on what a 7 mm would do in an M-60 that the good old 7.62 wouldn't do? YA lost me on that one. --- I often heard that they made a stronger linkage for the Mini than the regular M-60 linkage in Vietnam. Ever here of that?? Web I damn sure not knockin it as I'm sure you shot your fair share but always felt a 7 would have provided somewhat less wind drift and flatter trajectory.Course when your got boolits yellin get out the way when there coming several inches apart it don't make much diff !!! I bet!! In general the .308 can hang right with the 7-08 in terms of wind drift, just at a cost of a bit more recoil. I was thinking some more last night about why the .308 never has moved me. I think partly it hinges on it being a 30-06 wannabe... you know how .308 shoooters always have that chip on their shoulders... grin... things like 7-08 are not wannabes, they are their own deal. Mostly I like the .308 because it's the engine that drives my .358, and the .358 is simply the BEST use of the .308 parent case at the ranges that the vast majority of game is killed. Now where did I put that Nomex suit.... 
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Well I still think that way about the .308-Winchester! I hunted with it's bigger brother for over 20 years or more and it did a great job, especially when I used those 200 grain Nosler bullets back then.
I picked up my first .300 Win mag after my time working for Uncle Sam. Now that Belgium Browning Safari rifle served me well, no problem breakin the shoulders of a bull elk at 300 yards.
The only .308 I own today is in a FAL SA 58 miliary rifle and it is very accurate, to the tune of 3/4 inch groups from the bench at 100 yards.
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.308 is a good round, especially for the handloader. I have one that shoots 150 gr. Ballistic Tips into a 3/8" clover leaf group, 165 gr. BT's about as good. I just loaded some 130 gr. TTSX's at 3,150 fps (52 gr. Varget). That load shoots 5/8" groups and should be a great whitetail load. The BT's can be a bit friable on some targets, so I'm trying the TTSX's for tougher targets, like mud crusted boar hogs. That bullet at that speed should put their lights out, pronto. We'll see pretty soon.
Easy to load, good brass available, accurate, versatile, available in a good offering of rifles. Where's the down side?
DF I've a Top Flight 308 and a Top Flight 7-08. The 308 cain't hang.................
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