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Gals and their Imaginations,never ain't not entertainin'. Few things better,than a Window Lickin' Tournament.
Bless their hearts..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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I love the 308 WIN. It is my favorite whitetail getter of them all. Started with it at 12 years old, still use it at 40.
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GREAT cartridge, love it.
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I use to have little use for it, as I started out with a 1919 Danish Krag and killed anything that I shot! Made me a meteric nut. After 40 plus years in a gun shop, I got a new Rem. 700 VTR in .308 Win. and it shoots so darn good I am itching to shoot something with it! Always been a fan of the M14 I started shooting in the Corps can't no black rifle hold a candle to them!
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He wanted it. It was his before it was mine. Giving him an $800.00 rifle with a scope on it seems ok to me. He's 34 and flys jets in Afganistan when he isn't at Nellis serving as the CO for a bunch of Para Jumpers.
The .308 is ok for what it is. The .30-06 Short.
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He wanted it. It was his before it was mine. Giving him an $800.00 rifle with a scope on it seems ok to me. He's 34 and flys jets in Afganistan when he isn't at Nellis serving as the CO for a bunch of Para Jumpers.
The .308 is ok for what it is. The .30-06 Short. Your son clearly got his smarts from his mother.
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Coyote Hunter - NRA Patriot Life, NRA Whittington Center Life, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE!
No, I'm not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #1's.
A good .30-06 is a 99% solution.
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Lets hope.
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Nothing wrong with .308. Just prefer the 30-06, mainly out of habit. Not a window licker...just a spectator.
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And the fact that it's (the .30-06) superior......
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Lets hope. .....................That`s about how I would imagine Swampy! Funny! Don`t see how anyone could dislike or hate the 308. Sure! It doesn`t have quite the power of the 30-06 and runs even further behind the 30 cal magnums. But it does what it was designed to do and offers hunters a less powerful option with less recoil chambered in shorter actioned lighter weight rifles. The 308 is also very common in heavier tactical rifles. And it is one of the most accurate 30s too. Ballistically, the 308 is not a 30-06, nor is the 30-06 a 300 Win, nor is a 300 Win a 300 Wby, nor is the 338 Win a 340 Wby, nor does the 338 RUM have quite the power of the 338-378 Wby. On and on and on we can go with more examples. Although velocity is needed, cartridge superiority is not just defined by velocity alone. What matters most, is that the hunter best match the cartridge to his specific need for game and distances. No Swampy! The 30 caliber world doesn`t begin and/or end with the 30-06! Nor should it!
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I think the .300H&H is a little better than the .30-06. The point being nothing is gained in a boltaction rifle with the .308.
It makes no sense in a boltgun. In a semi-auto or auto military rifle it does.
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I think the .300H&H is a little better than the .30-06. The point being nothing is gained in a boltaction rifle with the .308.
It makes no sense in a boltgun. In a semi-auto or auto military rifle it does. ..........Oooops forgot about the (nearly obsolete?) 300 H&H. But that is another matter. Now you may be of the "opinion" that nothing is gained, but all the rifle makers who make bolt actions chambered in the 308,,,,would highly disagree with you! It doesn`t appear Swampy, that they have honored your opinion, nor will they be doing so. They`ll just keep on pluggin along, chambering the 308 and other rounds which you happen to feel there is no need for, aka the 308, the 375 Ruger, the 416 Ruger and probably a few others that you "feel" there is no need for. In your case, one man`s trash, happens to be a treasure for many others.......
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Their business is to sell rifles and that requires fooling people into thinking they need them. They do that by paying writers to do articles on those glossy pages at Books-A-Million. They are for the most part whores who will write anything for their check. Sad but most folks take all that as gospel and hate anyone who preaches common sense.
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Their business is to sell rifles and that requires fooling people into thinking they need them. They do that by paying writers to do articles on those glossy pages at Books-A-Million. They are for the most part whores who will write anything for their check. Sad but most folks take all that as gospel and hate anyone who preaches common sense. ..............Well it is good thing that you are not in the rifle making business because you`d go frigging broke. And if you happened to be in the business of making rifles, you wouldn`t want your product or products to be promoted by a writer or two????? Other than the Remington 700 and the 30-06, there are many other rifles and cartridges from which to choose. It is called variety in the marketplace. You let the marketplace dictate what it likes and what it dislikes. And not all buyers make their buying decision based on what writers write. I didn`t buy my 375 Ruger based on what anyone wrote. I can discern between what writers write vs what I`m looking for in a rifle and cartridge. And if I had been influenced to a degree then so what? Did the 375 Ruger somehow fool me? Did my 300 WSM fool me? Did my 338-378 Accumark fool me too? You obviously in your thinking, cannot seperate a buying decision vs being fooled!!! So if folks buy something that in your opinion is needless, then they are somehow being fooled into buying them when they don`t need them? Hey Swamp! Ever heard of freedom of choice? Your money wasn`t used to buy their so-called un-needed rifle. Since when are you the purveyor or soothsayer as to what is needed vs what is not needed there Swampy? You wanna know what your problem is??? Here`s your problem Swampy!.......Along with a few older rounds, there are newer and recently intro`d cartridges that are literally reigning on your emotional and territorial parade which were and are a hit with the shooting public. Like since 1963, the 300 Win pushing aside the 300 H&H?? Over the last four years the 375 Ruger horning in on the beloved 375 H&H?? More 30 cal options than just the 30-06?? The 416 Ruger making a name for itself?? A few other examples here and there too? You need to set your emotions and what other folks need aside, get your head out of the quicksand and realize that any buying decision needed or not,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,is a choice!!
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When folks make the inferior choice without logic comming into play, they are dumbasses. I don't care if they are dumbasses.
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When folks make the inferior choice without logic comming into play, they are dumbasses. I don't care if they are dumbasses. .............That term ,,,,,,"inferior",,,,is strictly an emotional and biased opinion on your part! Then by your view, I`m a pretty darn good dumbass then! I`m proud to own my dumbass 375 Ruger, my dumbass 300 WSM carbine, and my really dumbass 338-378 Wby Accumark,,,,all of which "by your standards" I don`t need???,,,,Right Swamp??? That`s ok! I`ll keep what you think I don`t need vs buying what you think that I do need!!!....
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You may need them, but there are much better choices for many reasons.
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