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hey, you bear hunters, etc....quit hijacking the post.
joe Right. No hi-jacks allowed unless you're gonna talk fishing...
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I don't want to spend $5,000.00 to get back $1,000.00. You can BYSA these thieves are well aware of the economics involved.
Have you done business with The Fraud?
ive spent $3000 to [bleep] with a guy ive gotten $20 out of so far.....if yah want the wood hire a lawyer or go bust the [bleep] door down and get it back I am not dumb enough to do either, you seem to be. I've hired many attorneys over the years and I know very well when not to waste a lot of money to gain little. The thieves also know this that is why they can get away with this crap. You will notice he did return my barreled action. I guess he not dumb enough to risk a firearms charge. I read Sitka's response and it certainly sounds reasonable. However I still cannot understand why he didn't simply return the stuff and be done with it. This is damaging his business.
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Maybe it's because he wants to finish what he started, you know, some people are just that way.
That's ok, I'll ass shoot a dink.
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I don't want to spend $5,000.00 to get back $1,000.00. You can BYSA these thieves are well aware of the economics involved.
Have you done business with The Fraud?
ive spent $3000 to [bleep] with a guy ive gotten $20 out of so far.....if yah want the wood hire a lawyer or go bust the [bleep] door down and get it back I am not dumb enough to do either, you seem to be. I've hired many attorneys over the years and I know very well when not to waste a lot of money to gain little. The thieves also know this that is why they can get away with this crap. You will notice he did return my barreled action. I guess he not dumb enough to risk a firearms charge. I read Sitka's response and it certainly sounds reasonable. However I still cannot understand why he didn't simply return the stuff and be done with it. This is damaging his business. nah took the [bleep] chit for 7 years without saying a damn thing till he dug a hole to deep to get out of, then i cut my lawyer a check and said "sic'em".......all it would have took is him keeping his word to the girls just once out of the hundreds of lies and i woulda shrugged off the bullchit....
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Art
FWIW, I have a similar let me help you scenario... its a kudu head to mount. Guy gave me a form another guy butchered but expects me to use it. The hide was tanned God knows where, full of holes....
End result... I finally bought a GOOD cape and whenever I have spare time I"ll order a new form that isn't butchered and when he gets it, it'll be worthy of the time spent on it.
I feel for ya. And its things like this that irritate folks on either side.
Since the above kudu I have basically refused any welfare type work. He could not begin to pay me what the mount will be worth after trying to no avail to salvage the first attempt....
As far ruining business, hearing Arts side only makes me want to like wood stocked guns so I can give him some business...
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Sounds like one of those lawyers who vetos undesirable prospective jurors with "preemptory" challenges. (And, I assume, swears to uphold and defend the Constipation of the Uncited Slates.)
"Good enough" isn't.
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[quote=Spanokopitas] I don't want to spend $5,000.00 to get back $1,000.00. You can BYSA these thieves are well aware of the economics involved.
Have you done business with The Fraud? ive spent $3000 to [bleep] with a guy ive gotten $20 out of so far.....if yah want the wood hire a lawyer or go bust the [bleep] door down and get it back I am not dumb enough to do either, you seem to be. I've hired many attorneys over the years and I know very well when not to waste a lot of money to gain little. The thieves also know this that is why they can get away with this crap. You will notice he did return my barreled action. I guess he not dumb enough to risk a firearms charge. I read Sitka's response and it certainly sounds reasonable. However I still cannot understand why he didn't simply return the stuff and be done with it. This is damaging his business. nah took the [bleep] chit for 7 years without saying a damn thing till he dug a hole to deep to get out of, then i cut my lawyer a check and said "sic'em".......all it would have took is him keeping his word to the girls just once out of the hundreds of lies and i woulda shrugged off the bullchit.... [/quote for some the accumulation of dollars is at the very top of their list as to what's important to them. for others, the same is down the list of what they place value upon. that you fall into the latter category surprises me not at all, rattler that some don't get that, sadly doesn't surprise me either
I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
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This thread is waaayyy past due for some girlie pics!
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Sounds like one of those lawyers who vetos undesirable prospective jurors with "preemptory" challenges. (And, I assume, swears to uphold and defend the Constipation of the Uncited Slates.) ============== About 4 years ago I posted something about one of my peremptory challenges and you were quick to point out that I was maybe one out of every ten lawyers who you saw get it right. You can't expect non-litigation attorneys to focus on that one.
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""This thread is waaayyy past due for some girlie pics!"" shamelessly stolen from sh, just to lighten the mood
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“Life is life and fun is fun, but it's all so quiet when the goldfish die.”
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[quote=Bulletbutt]Since this has now been aired for everyone to see, I just hope it gets resolved in a manner that lets everyone know how it's resolved. The last one of these situations left me in limbo as to the integrity of the smith, and until I know how he handled the situation, I will never trust him, or recommend him,. I don't like that because he may be a heck of a good guy and may have settled things quite satisfactorily. [/quote
Don't worry how this is resolved. Art is a known quantity here, in the plus.
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This thread is waaayyy past due for some girlie pics! FINALLY an intelligent post!
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I don't want to spend $5,000.00 to get back $1,000.00. You can BYSA these thieves are well aware of the economics involved.
Have you done business with The Fraud?
ive spent $3000 to [bleep] with a guy ive gotten $20 out of so far.....if yah want the wood hire a lawyer or go bust the [bleep] door down and get it back I am not dumb enough to do either, you seem to be. I've hired many attorneys over the years and I know very well when not to waste a lot of money to gain little. The thieves also know this that is why they can get away with this crap. You will notice he did return my barreled action. I guess he not dumb enough to risk a firearms charge. I read Sitka's response and it certainly sounds reasonable. However I still cannot understand why he didn't simply return the stuff and be done with it. This is damaging his business. nah took the [bleep] chit for 7 years without saying a damn thing till he dug a hole to deep to get out of, then i cut my lawyer a check and said "sic'em".......all it would have took is him keeping his word to the girls just once out of the hundreds of lies and i woulda shrugged off the bullchit.... My only response to that is; Good on you. My little snit with Claude the Fraud does not arise to the level of your problem. I'm not going to throw good money after bad. Maybe someday he will see the light and send me my wood. I'm not the only one he screwed.
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Jack Belk? Mr. "Expert witness". I can't believe you sent that POS anything............
It wasn't the smartest thing I've ever done, that's for certain. Brian.
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It really doesn't matter who was right or wrong, or any of the details. I don't understand why Art doesn't just ship it back and wash his hands of this mess. Then they could both move on...
Rost: I also don't understand why you would eat the cost of a replacement cape and a form. Saying "no" to potential business is a smart move sometimes. I have a couple customers that I will not do future taxidermy work for. Learned that there are easier ways to make money than dealing with a dickhead. I had a customer that I did several mounts for, and everytime payment was due, he would try and short me $50. I now refuse to do anything for him, good riddance.
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I don't know why I'm really responding to this but Splatter- I wouldn't have posted all of these PMs here either. I consider the phrase, "Private Messages," a "contract" of sorts.
I won't make any suggestions to Art because I don't have his side of the story but what I would suggest to you, and I'm not claiming any moral superiority here, is take the high road, chalk it off to experience, and forget about it.
At worst, if what you say about Art is true, you've made a much bigger mess of it, and not helped him (at least knowingly) or yourself at all; and if you are at least partly to all wrong, you've slandered him and reflected very, very poorly on yourself in the process.
Better to walk away before any wounds are made bigger. Some issues are more than just dollar amounts particularly within a community such as the 24HCF.
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I don't know why I'm really responding to this but Splatter- I wouldn't have posted all of these PMs here either. I consider the phrase, "Private Messages," a "contract" of sorts.
I won't make any suggestions to Art because I don't have his side of the story but what I would suggest to you, and I'm not claiming any moral superiority here, is take the high road, chalk it off to experience, and forget about it.
At worst, if what you say about Art is true, you've made a much bigger mess of it, and not helped him (at least knowingly) or yourself at all; and if you are at least partly to all wrong, you've slandered him and reflected very, very poorly on yourself in the process.
Better to walk away before any wounds are made bigger. Some issues are more than just dollar amounts particularly within a community such as the 24HCF.
Sitka deer posted his side earlier in this thread. Go back a few pages and you'll find it.
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I'm assuming it's because the stock is in the process of becoming something of value and would be worthless if shipped back in it's current repaired and refurbished state.
I sure wouldn't ask Doug Turnbull to return my stock half way into the job...and I'm actually paying for it.
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