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Please do share your VLD ones as well. You do know all about shooting elk at angles with the VLD, right? I mean, you have done it and will share with the group. Or... are you talking out your azz as per usual?
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Wanker <grin>.
Killed a couple with the 8mm 200-grainer. Have shot a $hitload of the .30-cal 200-grainers. Very accurate bullet, very consistant, high BC that matches up to the software so it appears to be a "real" BC number... he says they both shoot about equally well in his rifle so no accuracy advantage to the VLD.
Can't see giving up reasonable shot angles for no good reason so this one appears to be a no-brainer to this lug nut at least.
IMHO. YMMV. Etc.
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wyonelk, you are becoming unpleasant so this'll be my last post to you for a while. Reports on the VLD's terminal ballistics are remarkably consistant and I believe those reporting them. If a guy wants what they do- go for it. In this case my opinion is that he'd be better off with the NAB since it has the high BC and all that. He can regard or disregard my opinion as he sees fit. And you can bite me. 
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wyonelk, you are becoming unpleasant so this'll be my last post to you for a while. Reports on the VLD's terminal ballistics are remarkably consistant and I believe those reporting them. If a guy wants what they do- go for it. In this case my opinion is that he'd be better off with the NAB since it has the high BC and all that. He can regard or disregard my opinion as he sees fit. And you can bite me. But this is what you posted The Bergers, but I use the target version, not the hunting version, act just like a standard cup and core bullet to me. If you'd trust a cup and core I would have no issue with the Berger.
OTOH the accubond is not nearly enough of a step forward IMHO, if you want to be able to do it all then of course the answer is not accubond, but Barnes. Well, Jeff, except my assumption here is that he wants a high-BC bullet, hence the VLD's. Could be wrong there. The TSX isn't that, not hardly. Also the .30 caliber 200-gn Accubond is a long (high-SD) bullet. I've not used this version, but I have used the very similar 8mm 200-grainer, which doesn't have nearly the SD of the .30 cal version. Penetration on elk was outstanding. Unless Noz did something really wonky with the .30 cal version it should penetrate even better. I'll stick to my opinion and damn the torpedoes <grin>. This particular Accubond gives you a bullet that will work at about any angle (unlike the VLD) and still has a great BC (.588) for long range work. It's perfect <g>. The question remains how do you know this, from experience or is it your opinion from what you have read from others?
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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Jeff, I dont give a [bleep] about reports. Tell me your experiences on shooting VLD bullets into elk. Have none? Why the fugg are you commenting on this thread?
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I dont give a [bleep] about caliber. I dont give a [bleep] about weight. I want to know your personal experience with shooting VLD's into elk. At least tell me some experience standing next to a guy who has shot a VLD into an elk. Waiting....
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I can chat about Grand Slams, Partitions, Ballistic Tips, X, XLC, TSX, Berger VLD, those not to be mentioned Remington bullets and a few others. All from sending said bullets into elk.
I have watched Accubombs and others on a few occasions while standing right next to the guy pulling the trigger. Lets discuss experiences Jeff. Not reports but actual experiences.
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I have been involved with the using the 180 Nosler PT since the early 60's and with my limited experience (over 100 head of big game) I find the PT to be the perfect hunting bullet for me. I do use the AB in one rifle that doesn't like the PT.My .02
These are real numbers? There are quite a large number of elk in this sample
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interesting on the NP, but I"ve been told its not nearly as stout as the 200 NP in 30 cal either.
I quit using the 180 out of a 300 mag used on Nilgai(similar size, maybe even tougher than elk though) since it would not reliably give about more than 16 inches or so penetration if you hit major bone structure.
Went to Barnes. Never looked back.
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wyoelk, Why are you so sure the 200 grain Accubond in a .300 RUM doesn't work very well? mtmuley
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I've never sucked cock before but have no problem saying its not for me.
I will also say that the 2 elk I have seen killed with VLDs (30 cals/don't remember weight) were depressing. They were shoulder hits which I don't recommend on elk with anything but a premium bullet and a lot of speed. Both shoulders stopped the bullets and the bulls needed another round. The second rounds were behind the shoulder, where they belonged, but still made a mess.
Personally I say go Accubond and put it behind the shoulder.
Could be wrong on the VLDs; and sucking cock could also be exhilirating.
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I've never sucked cock before but have no problem saying its not for me.
That's [bleep] funny. Should be someones sig line 
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Damn, the wife is wondering why I'm laughin
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16" on an animal of that size is pretty good penetration. I have shot two elk with the TSX both under 300 yards. Great penetration but on the second one I failed to break the off side shoulder at 300 yards. Shooting STW, 160  3200, elk wandered about on the hill for a couple of min stopped then I shot her again. I feel that with the PT she would have been DRT.
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16" on an animal of that size is pretty good penetration. I have shot two elk with the TSX both under 300 yards. Great penetration but on the second one I failed to break the off side shoulder at 300 yards. Shooting STW, 160@3200, elk wandered about on the hill for a couple of min stopped then I shot her again. I feel that with the PT she would have been DRT. You just never really know. Every animal reacts differently...
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There's simply no downside to the 200-NAB.
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wyoelk, Why are you so sure the 200 grain Accubond in a .300 RUM doesn't work very well? mtmuley Never seen that combo in action. So...... I will keep my mouth shut about said combo. Or would you prefer me to mouth off about something I have read somewhere?
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Now that bullet ahead of 72 grains of 4350 has helped me stay fat through more than one winter. Elk dont like it. 
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