Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Guess what helicopter crashed.

Then you're dreamin'.

We shoulda sent Swampy, then. He could have ass shot him from his golf cart. BEST IN THE WORLD!!

Maybe the Stealth Bird was there to cover the insertion and extraction.

or maybe the stealthy little helicopter is a heavily modified Blackhawk, Stallion or derivative. Doesn't have to be a totally new platform. could even have been some modified osprey for all we know

Other assets were loitering for this very contingency. The team members are trained to deal with this and many other problems in layers. Helo went down, they dealt with it as trained, other assets came in to take it's place, and away they went.

More important than any airframe were the spoofers on-board. The Pakis were blind to what was happening due to the electronics on these helos and on the other assets loitering above.

We're [bleep] good, and the pakis better pray we never use it on them, because they are gigantic pieces of chit.

P.S. I'd rather pave Pakistan than Iran any day.. Felt that way for years..

This has something to do with being able to do whatever the hell we want don't ya think.

I think Exbiologist nailed it. It definitely was not an RAH 66 Comanche. The Comanche's tail rotor is imbeded inside it's tail boom. The "mystery" copter at the crash site has an externally mounted tail rotor. Stabilizer is in wrong position, too.

There are also the mission profiles of the two copters to consider.

I think - as Exbiologist suggested - that it was a heavily modified Blackhawk with some "aftermarket" stealth customization, including a lot of composite layup. Hence all the carbon fiber-reinforced material in the debris photos.

Obtuse? I think that is a much better description for you or you have a reading comprehension problem. I brought up the Russians in my post that you quoted.

Like it was said before, you wouldn't be happy with this mission unless it was done from 30,000 feet and obliterated everyone. That does have a certain charm to it, I will admit.

But once you remove your blinders and realize that there may be an excellent opportunity to kill several more bad guys all over the world with the right intelligence. That intelligence may or may not be included in the items recovered, but your way eliminates ANY possibility of gathering that information.

Proper intelligence kills more bad guys than taking random shots. Maybe you are not a hunter and don't understand that concept.

The bird that crashed was intentional. What better way to produce a distraction while you land two others to get your team of 25 on the ground to kick some butt. Do you really think that we would send a pilot that would hit the wall with the rotor on accident?

Whether or not OBL was killed in this raid or a year and a half ago, we should understand that he is dead and will not rear his ugly smirk again. Sure, BHO could have been holding this as a trump card for when he needed it. He knew he would need some momentum building materials eventually. Bush would have claimed it if Osama died under his watch. What happens in the next 18 months could very well make PBO look even worse that he really is. It could backfire big time. Extreme Islamic terrorists are smarter than our politicians, and more dedicated to their cause. It might be tense in some areas of our country for a while.

Far fewer than you have posted on here.

Swampbreath-I don't think you know who you are crossing swords with. Do your homework.

"That's what you said about television, Dear." An Tennessee hillbilly wife to her ranting husband's comments (More or less) in Hope, Alaska, during Armstrong's moon walk. Truth.

And the spin goes on.......wag the dog.

I don't think you know who you're crossing swords with....Armchair quarterbacks are very tiresome.

How many American's died in this highly successful operation? I think the answer is ZERO.

And some of you are bitchin about some weird tail rotor section of a helo that no one can tie down the model/make of.

Get some focus.

what the hell are you so concerned about swampman? The goverment lies, so what's new, Usama is dead OK, a helicopter crashed OK, people live and people die. What's your beef?

I've said several times that I couldn't care less which branch get's credit for the attack nor do I require the shock and awe effect of JDAM's at 30K.

You bring up reading comprehension, then ignore that I have clearly stated time and time again that my issue is with the political reason the mission was allegedly changed, along with the delay involved in doing so and the risk inherent in changing from the missions parameters of Plan A to versus B.

Potential intel gathering notwithstanding, a special ops mission like this will always carry a higher risk of failure than air mail. Had the mission failed due to OBL being moved during the delay period, or due to any other unforeseen occurrence, it would not have mattered what intel we could have gathered.

Do you know for a fact that previous missions in Afghanistan and Pakistan, in the hunt for OBL, didn't fail due to delay's in exploiting time critical intelligence? Do you know for a fact that special ops missions in Afghanistan and Pakistan didn't result in SpecOps assets coming home quietly in body bags from "training accidents in Eastern Afghanistan" instead of the high level AQ targets they went in for?

Your replies in this thread have been heavy on assumption and preaching, with no apparent experience to back them up. Perhaps you have my equivalent experience in mission planning and intelligence gathering/exploitation, in which case, I ask only that you dial down the condescension. If you don't, well...

Those of you who think the the Commanche is the latest tech really need to get a clue. It was rolled out to the public in 1994 at Ft. Rucker while I was in flight school. That was 17 years ago, so its not a spring chicken.
It also wasn't designed as a troop carrier, and if it was covering the mission, it wouldn't have landed or even been close to the ground.
The 160th has some gadgets and stuff that is solely theirs, and won't be seen anywhere else in the inventory. My old guard unit got their old Blackhawks when they got new ones and we had to come up with ALOT of parts to replace stuff that they took off when they gave up the birds. They do stuff their own way without many restrictions, monetary or otherwise.
There were more than 2 helos on the mission, you can bet on it. One Blackhawk didn't extract 25 people, gear and a corpse. Especially if the first one took a hard landing due to the hot weather with half that number on board. I wouldn't even begin to speculate on what happened, because guessing would be all I could do, and it wouldn't be accurate on a good day.

Swampy has ceased to provide even comic relief for me.

Swampy has proven time and again that he's in the Marianas Trench of stupidity. When you combine that level of idiocy with his incredible narcissism and his spoiled preschooler type behavior you merely get a detestable troll who isn't worth a bucket of spit to anyone.

What an incredible waste of human flesh Swampy is.

"the Marianas Trench of stupidity"...........

I'm cryin'....