I kinda wanted to see if we could get 50,000 views on this thread so here is a little bump.
Here is why I like the 264 Win Mag.
..................Those damn VLDs aren`t supposed to do that. Many deem them as paper punchin/target bullets ONLY.....:D
Next time another,,,"VLD on elk",,,thread pops up, we`ll see how well the VLD opponents try and explain away this one. LOL! You know who you are. LOL!
Another "proven" DRT VLD elk kill. Great job Burnsie!
Impressive no doubt....if I had not seen (and done) the same thing with Partitions and BBC's myself, I might even get a woodie over Bergers myself....
But I have seen too many bulls killed to believe in magic bullets anymore....YMMV.
..........The word "magic" is simply a word.
But on the flip side though, you can call the VLDs whatever you wish. I`ll be more than happy to take those """magical""" results.
In Burnsie`s case as was clearly demonstrated, as well as from my own VLD experiences and from the many, many, and many more first hand VLD experiences by others, the words,,,,,,,"final and end results",,,,,,imo, have a far greater meaning than does the far simpler word,,,"magic",,,which of course is usually placed on the VLD by the usual and typical VLD opponent.
I asked and answered this same question ~30 years ago. I took a pre-64 model 70 action, attached a Shilen SS match gauge #2 barrel and placed it in a Chet Brown stock. Then I took a Leupold 2.5x8 and held it in place with a set of Control rings. The result has been 16 elk in the freezer with some hanging on the wall. Oh yea it was chamber in .300 Winchester Mag.
I asked and answered this same question ~30 years ago. I took a pre-64 model 70 action, attached a Shilen SS match gauge #2 barrel and placed it in a Chet Brown stock. Then I took a Leupold 2.5x8 and held it in place with a set of Control rings. The result has been 16 elk in the freezer with some hanging on the wall. Oh yea it was chamber in .300 Winchester Mag.
lynn: Years back that was my "solution" too....with a Krieger SS 24" tube,and 4X Leupold..Works good don't it?
That was a good, even a great shot John. But here's what I saw. Somebody had the time to get out the video camera and start the video while the hunter watched the elk. Even then, the hunter had 1 min and 14 secs to shoot. When yelled at, the bull stopped to look. Gave the hunter a standing shot. I wish the elk I hunted were that cooperative. No, I couldn't make or would even try that shot with any rifle. But I make little effort to equip myself for that kind of shooting because I don't get those kinds of opportunities. E
U see the thing is E, that I know some of the country you've been hunting and I know it very well and there are times...when one does and or when I have had exactly kind of time that JB and Wayne had.
Not always for sure but there are times over the last 20 some years where I have seen it.
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That was actually, a least for me, a very limited time opportunity.
When taking those extended distance shots I have to be very careful to get into a pretty neutral shooting position or I will screw a shot like that up.
For me there really is no �quick and fast� way to consistently hit at long range and if you don�t have the time you had better let him walk.
There are definitely techniques to give the shooter more time to get his position right and dick around with the scope less and get the right dope on the optic faster (BDCs anyone), but in the end you have to take the time it takes or you will screw the pooch.
It is one thing to shoot fast at relatively close range but at extended distance you need way more time to accurately place a shot. Typically you also have more time at distance, but each situation is a case unto itself and the first skill in LR shooting should be learning the discipline to pass on bad shots.
You should also realize that not having any Long Range potential is a self fulfilling prophesy as to the range you will be able to take game.
John Burns
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30-30 What? Somebody is dreaming I think, time to wake up my friend. Now ifin you got close enough perhaps but anything over a 125 yards and your out of luck.
I got myself one of those Looooooong Range bean shooters sometime back. Yep, a real thumper you might say, in a model 70 Winchester caliber bees a .338/300-Ultra Mag. It does go band and a big OUCH follows......no brake yet but it is comin.
However, I am much more accurate with my 7mm Rem. mag when it comes to way out youndar. I use my .300 Win mag too but I'll bet money on the 7mm mag. I got a newer 6.5/06 but it hasn't been tried out (was not set up for long range) yet on any big game. I seem to like it though better than my 1/4 bore 25/06.
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50 yds to as far as the eye can see. I wouldn't make it a heavy LRH rig; that would fairly un-wieldly in the woods. Yet, it would have to be accurate enough to reach out. I'd say in the 7-9 lb range, give or take.
The glass would need to meet the same criteria; low enough power to see a bull "through" the woods and yet enough power to hit'm way out. Something like 1.5x at the low end and 10-12x at the upper end should do. Lots of choices today.
I think a premium 140 gr 6.5mm on the light end to drive deep into vitals and as much as 250 gr Accubond .366 cal on the upper for those who like the larger stuff. The upper end would need some special reloading considerations and optic options to fit the LR criteria but it could be done. My 9.3x62 will easily reach to 500-550 yds with the 1.75-6x with CDS elev turrets I have on top.
Most common would be something in the 7mm and 30 cal range.
I've got three rifles that would work.
1. 6.5x47 with 140 Part running 2860 fps, 2.5-10 NF on a Pierce action, 26" Broughton #3 barrel weighing 8 lb 10 oz.
2. 30-06 AI running 180 BT/AB @ 3000 fps in a Rem 700 LA with a pencil thin Lilja barrel. With a VX3 4.5-14 it weighs in a round 7.5 lbs
3. 9.3x62, Pre 64 M70, VX3 1.75-6 with 24" Pacnor all sitting in a D'Arcy Echols Legend stock at 8 lb 3 oz. 250 Accubonds @ 2606 fps.
You have won a lottery draw for a rut elk hunt on one of the big southwestern reservations. All expenses paid.
Shots can be inside 50yds to as far as the eye can see and the bulls are 350++ but as always the big boys (380+) are scarce and wary.
What rifle/cartridge/bullet would you choose???
What shots would you be willing to take with your cartridge of choice regarding range and angle??
The point is instead of worrying about adequate let�s talk about what is the absolute best elk cartridge in the world??
if I won a hunt like that Id take the rifle IM most familiar and confident with, my custom bedded weatherby fibermark synthetic rifle in caliber 340 wby with its harris 27" bi-pod and 3.5-10x50mm leopold scope loaded with 250 grain hornadys over a stiff load of H4831 and a 215 fed primer, bushnell range finder and Steiner 10x50 binoculars.... no reason to change what been well proven to work, and Id get in as close as I could before firing, even though I know I can hit out at 500 yards ID prefer getting into much shorter ranges
I would have to take my Accumark 340wby. I am comfortable with it and it is about as accurate of a gun that I have seen. A friend of mine borrowed it this year to go Elk hunting and I seen the damage the 200 grain Barnes did to it. I could fit my fist threw the exit hole.
Better yet. Get in touch with the elk and se what they have to say. I will bet it would be something like thhguiotoiwegtia can,t shoot jihhgieruueytihiuhgi hit my friend ivdsioghiuhgtyebrvb and they keep shooting. I,am hit but I think I can make the timber. Shot placement and a cool head is Key. Not what you wound them with.
