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I planning a non trophy elk hunt this fall. I am told I should get a look at a smaller bull. I am actually just a meat hunter anyway.
Currently I hunt with a 30 06. My do all load is a 165g nosler AB.
Problem is I have a 300 wsm that I have not shot yet. If I did I would start with the H 4350 and a 180g nosler AB.
In my case is there a meaningful difference between 30 06 and 300 wsm under 400 yards?
Would you suggest a different bullet to start with for the 300?
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the difference will be all but meaningless, shoot which ether caliber you like best, its almost always shot placement and bullet selected not minor differences in velocity or the numbers on the brass that will mater, personally I like the speer 200 grain in 30 cal for ELK http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=000212211
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I see your logic, you could also try the 200 gr. accubond and run the more accurate of the two (180 vs. 200). The trajectory of the 200 accubond should be very similar in the 300 wsm as compared to your 165 gr. load in the 30-06. I'm a "dyed in the wool" 30-06 fan and have recently had my eyes opened to the 300 wsm: My wsm is more accurate than any of my 30-06's and it hits harder, what more could you ask for. I'm thinking I'll even use it for long range deer hunting this year. However, if I were to use it on elk, I'd probably opt for the 200 accubond regardless of the range I were shooting. Take care.
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Also, the nice thing about either cartridge is they will both get the job done with the myriad of bullets out there. You could also go the monolithic route and choose something like the 165 tsx, keep a stash of them because you're 30-06 may like them too
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Hunt the '06, and with the time saved with load development for the wizzum, get in shape.
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Hunt the '06, and with the time saved with load development for the wizzum, get in shape. My wsm was very easy to load for rancho: 2 groups of 5 shots
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Under 400 yds, the difference is pretty much negligible. I've shot 2 elk and 2 deer with my 300 WSM so far (all 300 or less) and I could have done it just as well with a 30-06. Just guessing, I'd say the 300 velocity at 400 yds is about the same as the '06 at maybe 300. Either is more than adequate for the job.
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Hunt the '06, and with the time saved with load development for the wizzum, get in shape. My wsm was very easy to load for rancho: 2 groups of 5 shots That WSM doesn't even penetrate. Look at them holes, you can plainly see the bullet penetrated the paper but not the wood behind! Hemi
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Hunt the '06, and with the time saved with load development for the wizzum, get in shape. My wsm was very easy to load for rancho I've found that ease in development is inversely proportional to time available. YMMV, MD.. (Your mileage my vary, mine don't.)
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165's do great on elk in the 30-06 or the 300 wsm. I would take what ever shoots the best.
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You guys shooting both rounds,how does recoil compare between the '06 and the .300 WSM?
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I planning a non trophy elk hunt this fall. I am told I should get a look at a smaller bull. I am actually just a meat hunter anyway.
Currently I hunt with a 30 06. My do all load is a 165g nosler AB.
Problem is I have a 300 wsm that I have not shot yet. If I did I would start with the H 4350 and a 180g nosler AB.
In my case is there a meaningful difference between 30 06 and 300 wsm under 400 yards?
Would you suggest a different bullet to start with for the 300? ..............Like everyone stated, within 300-400 yards, the killing power differences are negligible. But for some real enlightment and some fun, I suggest you do the following if you haven`t done so already. Choose the bullets and bullet weights you are more likely to use on your elk hunt and find out what their BCs are. Next, log onto the Hornady site and find their external ballistics table. Type in all the info asked for; your approx MV, bullet BC, bullet weight, rifle zero in yardage, temps etc. You can also adjust the downrange increments in yardages. What you want to do, is compare the external downrange #s in velocity, energy and trajectories for the 30-06 vs the 300 WSM. Although both are capable, doing the above will give you very good and accurate downrange comparisons. Then pick the one that you feel will best do the job based on your best guess hunting situation. In the more wide open country where longer than 400 yard shots "could" occur, then I`d be more inclined to choose the 300 WSM. And since you haven`t fired your 300 WSM yet, then get busy!!.. .... Using it as a paper weight or as a dust collector or something???...
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Nope, no none nadda. The 168 TSx in an 06 @ 2900 or the 300 with a 180 @ 2950 or so I feel there's no diff. I mean real world how much diff can there be with the two rounds...at under 400 yds or about any range?
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You guys shooting both rounds,how does recoil compare between the '06 and the .300 WSM? Using the same bullet and with the WSM moving about 200 fps faster, there's a difference. However, in most models of guns the WSM tends to be a bit heavier so that helps mollify the recoil just a little. Neither will tear your shoulder off by any means.
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Two me, the two pretty much bump about the same, neither one has much recoil to speak of unless the rig gets really light and then it'll most likely have a light (sub .6" @ the mzl) barrel and will jump a bit. But, other than that neither one isn't much in the recoil dept.
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My experience as well. And the elk I've shot with both rounds died quickly, even though the ballistics of the .300 WSM were more than the .30-06.
The .300 WSM is pretty easy to load for, but in my experience the .30-06 is as well.
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I pretty much figured just what you guys are saying.
My .300 WSM is a Winnie Featherweight, I haven't shot it yet, which is why I was wondering about a magnums recoil in a featherweight. Thanks...
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Don't think you could tell the difference under 400 yds. the 300WSM should be better beyond, however. Shot my WY elk last yr with a 300WSM at 439 yds. Shot was broadside lung hit and 180gr Nosler passed right thru. Haven't chro'ed it yet, but I load 64.5gr of 4350. Shoots 1 1/2" at 200 yds. John
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Kenneth-my opinion of the 300 WSM/M70 Fwt is that they're anything but featherweights so I'm thinking it'll be no bigga deal.
"All up", scope, rings, rounds sling I'm betting it easily go 8 1/4's or better.
Not a slam on the rifle just an observation is all.
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I think the fit of the rifle and confidence of what you are carrying will matter far more than any possible difference in terminal ballistics. If the 30-06 has been your go to gun for any length of time I would grab it and not even hesitate.
If the 300 is your new woman and you just wanna break it in on an elk that is reason enough to switch.
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