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Midway had/has them on sale (blemished) for $16 per 50.
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I was always a fan of 170 gr. Silvertips...long since unavailable to the handloader...
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Damn! I just loaded up a bunch of 150 TSXs that shoot into an inch easily at 2400 FPS and I am drooling over those! Let's all hope Barnes ups the ante with a 130 grain TSX/TTSX. I had enough head room in the load for my 30-30 with the TSXs that I probably could have got close to 2700 from the steps in to work up. A 130 in an accurate 30-30 at ~2900 would be a really impressive option lever guns. Get you some LeverEvolution powder and tell us what you got out of those gems please. I am betting you can get 2800 with room to spare.
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If Your a non-handloader, Federal Premium 170 gn. Nosler Partitions.
If You roll Your own, a 170 NP, RL-15, and a CCI-250 primer, runs right at 2400 fps in my 26" barreled 94 Winchester, has been very, very, effective on WT deer and hogs to 340 lbs. for me, does alot better than paper ballistics would have You believe.
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I tried LeverEvolution with 130 TSX's in a 24" barreled Model 64 Winchester. 38.5 grains(Hodgdon's max for 150's) gave 2660 fps with ES=10fps for three shots. I then tried 39.5 grains and things got a little erratic. Velocity jumped to 2790 fps and ES=63fps for three rounds. The lever was a little sticky opening on the fastest round of the three.
The rifle really needs to be recrowned so groups open quickly as velocities increase. I am going to recrown the rifle and try 39 grains one of these days.
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I tried LeverEvolution with 130 TSX's in a 24" barreled Model 64 Winchester. 38.5 grains(Hodgdon's max for 150's) gave 2660 fps with ES=10fps for three shots. I then tried 39.5 grains and things got a little erratic. Velocity jumped to 2790 fps and ES=63fps for three rounds. The lever was a little sticky opening on the fastest round of the three.
The rifle really needs to be recrowned so groups open quickly as velocities increase. I am going to recrown the rifle and try 39 grains one of these days. That doesn't make sense. I got 2400 across my chrony out of my 336 at 35.5 with 150s
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It makes plenty of sense.
Three shots is a VERY limited sample, and one case with a thicker neck can result in higher pressure/velocity. And .0001" (one 10/1000ths) in either bullet or bore diameter results in about 1000 psi difference in pressure.
Plus there's the difference in manufacturing lots of powder, plus umpteen other things, including temperature, primer, etc. etc. etc.
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Has anyone played with the Nosler...
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Nope, but I do intend to try these. 150gr Hollow point bonded.
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My 30-30 is a Scary accurate Stevens 325B. I have used it for caribou with 125 Sierra Spitzers at 2600 and it works very well. For bigger stuff I use 150 Nosler Partitions at 2300fps.
The 170 Horn FN has been a very good traditional bullet.
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Nope, but I do intend to try these. 150gr Hollow point bonded. I've read a few posts and talked to a couple of buddies who really are high on that particular factory load.
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Nope, but I do intend to try these. 150gr Hollow point bonded. hmmm.....
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30/30 is the only one I'll buy factory ammo for, though I do handload for it also.
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Hmmm. I am surprised that nobody mentioned Speer Hot Cores (now deep curl I guess). That's what I've used in my 30-30 loads for over 20 years. I like 170's for accuracy and penetration. Have worked very well for me.
I find that heart/lung shot deer almost always run 50-100 yards. I'm not a neck shooter and would rather have the short run and know that I nailed the deer. That how I do it, but I use the 150's. A 130 lb buck isn't too hard to kill. If I were hunting heavier bodied deer I would move up to a 170 for a little more penetration.
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I'd sure like to see a bullet bounce off a rib,especially a 30-06 180 gr. Everybody knows that rib bones are kryptonite to 30/06's and the 30 caliber bretheren. Get a 338 Fed
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It makes plenty of sense.
Three shots is a VERY limited sample, and one case with a thicker neck can result in higher pressure/velocity. And .0001" (one 10/1000ths) in either bullet or bore diameter results in about 1000 psi difference in pressure.
Plus there's the difference in manufacturing lots of powder, plus umpteen other things, including temperature, primer, etc. etc. etc.
I agree it could make sense, we've all seen things like this happen. On the face of it though it makes no sense and should produce one of those step back and scratch your head moments. Just dropping from 150 to a 130 one would expect a little more velocity and a little less pressure at least until the laws of physics change. Accompanying that drop in bullet weight you you usually need to bump the charge a little to keep the pressure. Things that it might be he did not get if his test is repeatable. Yes some guns max out at below book max. Yes temp can add some to the pot. Yes dimension tolerances can add some more. But... what he got is not at all what I would expect. Especially given how the tests that I did with the 150s produced a very mild load. It makes me wonder if this might be a side of LeverEvolution powder that goes with the little to no benefits accruing to many calibers with it. It makes me wonder enough to try to replicate it to see whether there is a characteristic of LeverEvolution powder that we might ought to be mindful of.
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More velocity with a lighter bullet doesn't mean less pressure. Top end velocity requires top end pressure. "Until the laws of physics change"
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Never shot a deer with a 30/30 but have used the 32 Special, it's twin on a few deer and it was deadly with 170 grain Hornadys.
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