Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles A Girl, An Elk, A 243 Win/105VLD and 688yds makes elk steaks

I'm not interested in sharing my opinion on this...the animal died instantly and that is good by me...but people shouldn't get upset about all the negative comments. I can't imagine the OP didn't know he would be pouring gas on the fire by posting this.

Some of the argument in this thread is created through misunderstanding, because people don't seem to read carefully enough.

Let me try to be perfectly clear:
� I have no qualms whatsoever about JB's skills or about the capability of his rifles - or the .243, for that matter.
� I've read many of John's posts - to me he sounds like a good guy, someone I'd hang around with.
� I'm not suffering from a case of sour grapes or jealousy.
� I congratulate the lady for her accomplishment and John for his products and expertise. Hell, I'd love it if I had the opportunity to be mentored by JB.
� My concern is over JB's slip in judgement in having the lady shoot at a live animal w/o first giving her any long range practice at inanimate targets. Even though I have shot and hunted for 45 years, I have never shot an animal past 300 yards, and If JB were coaching me, I would certainly want to practice first on targets at long range before tackling an elk. Also, I've taken a few newbies hunting with me over the years, but I have never done so without first taking them to the range to give them some practice and guidance. To me, this is just common sense, and I'll bet that JB usually follows that progression.
� I suspect that John's motivation in having the lady do this and subsequently posting it on the Campfire was governed more by a desire for self-promotion rather than sharing his pride in his neighbor's accomplishment ... but only JB would be able to know that with certainty.

Gosh, I am afraid that the girl may be scarred for life by the responsibility that was carelessly thrown at her, but to make sure and report more than just a speculation, I am also willing to subject myself to the same kind of trauma if John needs another test subject. I, too, have no proven record of shooting that far.

But neither does buckeyespecial. That don't mean JB would allow HIM the chance.....

Given the fact you are in idiot and someone with NO friends, none of that would apply to you.

John already stated he knew the girl and her abilities as a shooter and hunter.

Only a no talent puzzy like you would be "afraid" to take the shot in that exact situation.

You are just jealous because you've never made a game shot that long in your pathetic little life. Let alone record it on video.

Loser.

Jeez Bob, I didnt say it wasnt a good post!

Thanks jim62! Pleased to meet you too!

BTW, you're first guy I've seen who's so proud of his IQ that he uses it as part of his handle!

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

The know it all and self appointed moral conscious of the world has spoken

I think maybe he's like some "whine" to go with the cheese

After watching the video and meandering through the entire thread, I guess my only comment favors the guide: I would have taken her hunting too. dvnv

Yes Archie and JM Bwana- MY refernce shows the .243 slug with .53 BC (Berger VLD) started at 3000 fps, having a retained velocity of about 1860, energy a little over 800 ft. lbs. Time of flight near 0.90 second. 82 inches more drop than a 300 yard zero. 35" drift in 10 mph full value cross wind. An animal walking 4 mph would move about 65" in that time. (Reference manual by Phillip Mannes. I didn't memorize it because I don't shoot at game that far and don't own a .243 Win.)
I have had occasion to chrono factory ammunition and reloads. Actual velocities did not match published nor predicted. BC's tend to cary with conditions and other factors. But then you are so very informed and wise that you know all that. It appears you would suggest that any novice reading the posts could do it with good equipment, and not actually shooting (a lot?) at the extended ranges you espouse as suitable?
Good to know to that only opinions of the folks that agree with you count and are not 'foolish'. My 'opinion' v. yours should be equally valid. But then again...

More drivel from the dumphuck of the year.

'62 was the year I was born, which means I am old enough to have a low tolerance for small minded little cretins like yourself.

Slither back over to accuratereloading.com and start more arguments about using 22 centerfires for deer.

They tolerate your "special" brand of retardation over there.

No they don't he has managed to get the boot on AR not once but twice.

It figures.

He's an idiot.

I may have looked at this sort of thread a little differently a year or two ago, then I actually shot this rifle with the Campfire group last year.
This system works. Seeing isn't enough for some but shooting one of these rifles really let me know what can be done.

John, I thought we used up all the Magic in that rifle, guess it still shoots well enough!
TBaker How's life in the hills this year?

I suppose the next step in ethical long range hunting is to see the animal at a couple of thousand yards and then walk away for a couple of miles to make sure they are in range.

Quite a leap of "logic" there..

And, pretty much total bullschit like all the rest of your posts on this thread..

It must really piss you off that Burns provided video PROOF of a young being able to do something you'll never have the knowledge ,talent or equipment to pull off.

You are a said little puke..

Pricks and dumb ass are never in short supply

I think it is pretty evident that the vast majority of posters in the thread have been basically positive in seeing someone cleanly kill their first big game animal.

I also concede that the circumstances were different than many hunters are used to and that has caused a few posters to question the situation. We all have our opinions and the reason why the 24hr Campfire is popular is the chance to share opinion and discuss hunting.

I am also sure that a few here have had their egos crunched from watching a �girl� handle a tough situation so well, better than they feel they would be able to perform in a similar situation.

To those sour pusses I have will just say too bad kids, she knocked that elks nose in the dirt at 688yds and I am proud to have been there and seen it.

Just one more time

For those who say "Maybe she can try hunting next time"

What is your definition of hunting?

When you hear 'bout "hunting" accidents it is someone who fired into a moving brush from close up. I have yet to hear of a accidental shooting from over 250 yards away. LRH's study animals and know when to take the perfect shot.

Any idiot can shoot a deer from under 150 yards with a few rounds, but it takes skill (shooter or spotter) to take a clean kill from afar.