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I've been reading a lot of threads and posts and there is a lot of reference to pre 64 guns. What changed after then to make the pre more desirable?
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The main thing is that they switched from the non-rotating claw extractor controlled round feed to a push feed design. They made some other cosmetic changes which were poorly executed, like free floating the barrel and leaving an excessive gap around the inletting. Overall they made it cheaper and what they did to make it cheaper was not well received by a basically conservative (in taste) clientele.
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I was under the impression it was the action. Was this only Winchester? Have they made the crf action since? Do other manufacturers make a crf or is everything push feed? How do you tell them apart?
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In 1964 three North Vietnamese torpedo boats attacked the US Destroyer Maddox in the Gulf of Tonkin, as a result US Congress Authorizes war against N Vietnam.
The Boston Stranger was captured.
The Warren Commission stated Oswald acted alone.
The first Mustang was built.
MLK, jr receives the Noble Peace Prize.
So, a lot of stuff happened.
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In 1964 three North Vietnamese torpedo boats attacked the US Destroyer Maddox in the Gulf of Tonkin, as a result US Congress Authorizes war against N Vietnam.
The Boston Stranger was captured.
The Warren Commission stated Oswald acted alone.
The first Mustang was built.
MLK, jr receives the Noble Peace Prize.
So, a lot of stuff happened. kamo gari is still on the loose!!!
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In 1964 three North Vietnamese torpedo boats attacked the US Destroyer Maddox in the Gulf of Tonkin, as a result US Congress Authorizes war against N Vietnam.
The Boston Stranger was captured.
The Warren Commission stated Oswald acted alone.
The first Mustang was built.
MLK, jr receives the Noble Peace Prize.
So, a lot of stuff happened. kamo gari is still on the loose!!! He is on parole right now.
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Winnie1300: Also of national importance - 1964 was the year "I" lost my virginal virginity! The world (well my world!) has never been the same. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
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Winnie1300: Also of national importance - 1964 was the year "I" lost my virginal virginity! The world (well my world!) has never been the same. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy I heard, I feel sorry for that deer. Or since you are Montanan, was it a sheep?
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I was under the impression it was the action. Was this only Winchester? Have they made the crf action since? Do other manufacturers make a crf or is everything push feed? How do you tell them apart? Pre-64 refers only to Winchester. A lot of what you read is this is when the bean counters got involved and ruined the rifleman's rifle. The pre64 had the famous Mauser style claw extractor. The push feed the extractor is on the bolt face. On the pre64 the claw rides on the outside of the bolt, you can see it in pictures, full length of bolt, like a half inch wide or so. Early push feeds were said to be pretty poor quality, later ones said to be just as good as Remington 700's (cue the popcorn). In the early 90's (???) Winchester came back out with the mauser type extractor, calling it the Classic.
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My freedom was lost. I got married. Ask me why 1971 was a good year.
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Pre 64 Mauser Type extractor
65 Pushfeed which I perfer
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My dad knocked my mom up in 1964. Good thing for me...
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Well Winchester was loosing money on every M-70 they made, and the tooling used to make the gun was getting long in the tooth. The M-70's after 1958 or 59 were not as finely finished as the guns made from about 1946 to 56 or so. Remington introduced the 700 and the 7mm Remington Mag in 1962 and it was a huge seller and Remington made a profit on every rifle they made. Winchester didn't, they even worked over the 94 some at the same time in order to get back to being profitable. All the mistakes made with the M-70 were corrected by 1968 and I have to admit I owned a M-70 xtr in 270 for some time, it shot great and it was a nice rifle for the money at the time. Winchester had problems a lot of problems, for a long time they were made under license by U. S . Repeating Arms. Then FN, they have left New Haven, CT run out by local and state politicians , to South Carolina. In a way the Model 70 died in 1963, rifles were called Model 70's after were something else, at least to the die hard riflemen of the day, Jack O'Connor for example.
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I've never understood the big fuss about the pre-64 Win 70's; ill fitted wood stocks & heavy as a boat anchor was enough to turn me off from them. I had one given to me once and kept it long enough to sell it.
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I was born in '64 and schitt just went downhill from there....figuratively and literally!
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The demise of the excellent Model 70, the Model 94 and the Model 12. The Model 61 and Model 62A .22 rifles had already bitten the dust. The post 64 Model 70 I bought in 1966 was a piece of junk. The Model 94s had some kind of zinc / junk metal receiver and roll pins instead of real pins in the linkage. It was a sad day for me but I'm not much of a plastic and stainless guy either and that is what is popular now. Just my opinion though and I understand differing opinions of other Campfire members.
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Didnt several gun companies go through severe changes in the early 1960s?
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Not just gun companies, the whole monetary system underwent change in 64. From 90% silver coinage to clad.
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