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I think we should collectively work on the differences between: they're, their, and there before we tackle rifle nomenclature.
Travis Good luck with that endeavor and Uncle Rico (aka logcutter). Guess you won't be tackling rifle nomenclature 'til your next life. He could pay it forward though by teaching the difference between clip and magazine. Only because he's served...
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Hmm. I work with words, and have learned some stuff about it over the years.
One of the basics is that all modern languages are living things. They change all the time, the reason dictionaries change--because dictionaries aren't derived from a panel of experts, but by "common usage." If a lot of people say "caliber" for "cartridge," then that's common usage. Someday soon caliber will probably be dictionary-listed as a synonym for cartridge.
By the way, neither my Webster's Unabridged or my compact copy of the Oxford English Dictionary make any differentiation between "revolver" and "pistol," something many shooters get nit-picky about.
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What's it say about "roscoe" or "heater"?
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One of the basics is that all modern languages are living things. They change all the time, the reason dictionaries change--because dictionaries aren't derived from a panel of experts, but by "common usage." To what extent does that carry? Will their, there, and they're someday be listed as synonyms because they're (or is it their, or there?) commonly misused?
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By a barrel in 7x64Brenneke (caliber? cartridge? i don't know but it obsoleted the 7x57)and you'll get a good hunting rig for a real rifle loony in the US of A... Dom
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Why do otherwise sensible and nitpicky rifle loonies keep using the term "caliber" when referring to a chambering? It's particularly incongruent behaviour amongst folks who often engage in lengthy and passionate debates about some pretty obscure, esoteric topics?
Odd... Gotta say it kinda bugs me too. Maybe it's just a more "folksy" way to say cartridge... sort of like calling antlers, "horns." Can't stand that one myself
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Caliber and cartridge are very accurate and desciptive words but just don't seem to roll off the tongue.
However, 30-06 caliber bugs the schit out of me.
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As a technical word "caliber" refers to bullet diameter. Someone correct me if I'm mistaken.
In the local area where I grew up any soft drink was "a coke". Obviously that was incorrect. But it was a common usage then and there.
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cal�i�ber (kl-br) n. 1. Abbr. cal. a. The diameter of the inside of a round cylinder, such as a tube. b. The diameter of the bore of a firearm, usually shown in hundredths or thousandths of an inch and expressed in writing or print in terms of a decimal fraction: .45 caliber. c. The diameter of a large projectile, such as an artillery shell, measured in millimeters or in inches.
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Yup, years back I spent a couple of summers doing angler surveys at lakes. The boat launch rodeo was a highlight. I suspect many divorce proceedings have been initated at a boat launch.
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Have seen towing vehicles very nearly completely submerged. Once saw an old guy at a launch ramp trying to mount the outboard motor to the transom; it slipped off and he grabbed the oily rope that was tied to it but, no matter how much he squeezed, the rope continued to slip through his fingers until it just disappeared!
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Hear in WI, Memorial day weekend kicks of the boating seeson. I spend at least one day of it at the ramp. Being a boater myself, and never left the plug out, straps on, ect, because I undo everything and then make a 360 around the boat and truck rechecking, befour backing down the ramp. The won I luv is the first tyme out for the seeson, get it started, back off the ramp, go about 20 yards, it dyes, crank a bit, then battery dyes, then they figure out gas line is not open/vent, never charged up the battery from all winter storage. Then have to padle back and wate for an open spot at the peer.
Thanks, Bob Too many calibers and not enough time for the working man to hunt with them all.
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Bro Keith, I sometimes wonder where some of the folks on here went to school. I, myself, went to some pretty podunk schools in my time. Yet in spite of that, I successfully managed to gradigiate (sp) from High School. I, also learned: Proper punctuation, reasonable grammar, and Bismillah; I EVEN learned to spell... And all this with an I.Q. about 4 points above the average eggplant... Also, I have heard of the "Dumbing Down" of America... Not only that, I have seen literal proof... GH
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Grass Hopper, I went to a Catholic grade school with nuns, it made me a better person, BUT i never have developed great spelling, and here my ISpell does not work, or it is this damn Vista. I totally agree with the dumbming down, Here in Milwaukee 50 of the kids do not graduate from HS, and most of the ones that do are at about a 10th grade level compared to years back. Demand less, you get less!!! Anyway was reading my 49 Edition Lyman reloading manual, they use caliber in place of cartridge in the area of talking about different primers affecting PSI and MV in "different Calibers", which in fact they would/could, but I think they meant cartridges.
Thanks, Bob Too many calibers and not enough time for the working man to hunt with them all.
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Nothing has changed for the better since the 1940s. I'm talkin' 'bout Nosler Partitions and bolt action 30-06s. Something 30 calibre chambered in something steel. Tr�s tubular.
It's depressing, ya know! Hell, I'd throw myself off a bridge, but they haven't changed them since the 1500s. Besides, it's the same old water, drank by, bathed in or peeeeeed in by countless long dead humans. Some famous, others not.
It's disgusting to think that I have put tapileen to my lips that was shat upon by a water buffalo in Africa. Who wants anything to do with Africa? Oh wait, my wife's from there. Nevermind.
30-06s or 7.62 x 63mm: In the end, they're all the same. They are identical to a plunge router, only they are powered with propellant, not 'lectricity and the bullets aren't called bits. But both have points and come off. Granted, routers are cheaper than rifles, but they are more difficult to use properly and aren't much good in a bar fight (unless you've got an extension cord). Come to think of it, I never used a router in any fights when I was posted to Europe.
But anyway, back to the rifles. They aren't like your lips or baby beef liver. They don't adapt to, or wrap around things. Rifles have to be chambered. Like a French upstairs maid or something...
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By the way, neither my Webster's Unabridged or my compact ...
OMG, John! I can't believe you used or with neither. Tell me it was just a typo! Jerry
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Steve, you may not post often but, when you do, it's a humdinger.
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