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For kicks, I just got back from from running the +P+ loads over the chrony along with some Fiocchi 9mm.

9mm Fiocchi 124 grain clocked at 1,154 mv

9mm Win +P+ 127 grain clocked at 1,354 mv

200 fps faster. That's enough to bother with it for me.

That puts it right up there with the 357 Sig.

Yeah, that is osme SERIOUS 9mm ammo there!

Now, to find some +P+ 10mm ammo! Don't think there was ever a black talon 10mm, so might have to 'make do' with my silvertips

Just kiddin about +P+ 10mm ammo, the normal stuff is pleny hot enough and I want my Delta Elite to last me a good long time.

I'd vote Kimber (or anything else with a ramped barrel) for 10mm+P+ :grin

I think Double Tap has some fairly warm 10mm loads, but there too I would not try them in anything except a ramped barrel. examples would be 165's at 1400 fps.

In a Colt I found 155's at 1425 fps would bulge the case head over the ramp, which was slightly scary. backing down to 1325 fps made everything good - which by the way is about as hot as the .357 mag is factory loaded, anymore.

I have heard too many horror stories about double tap ammo. Hottest I will likely run will be some Buffalo Bore 220's at 1250 fps. Cant think of anything I would point a pistol at that this load would not do the job on.

Whitworth shoots a lot of Double Tap ammo without drama. I have shot some as well without drama. Not sure what you are talking about. Double Tap in general isn't as hot as some others in my experience. Although, I haven't shot every load

Kevin, I used to think you were objective and unemotional in what you posted, and I admit you know more than me about guns. But now I just think you are full of it when you get caught blowing smoke, and your reading comprehension is apparently nonexistent.

Some Beretta slides had low fracture toughness. Some didn't. SOME. That means a bad batch of metal. Not a bad design. Read it again. Slowly.

I've owned at least ten Smith autos over the three generations that I can think of now, and I usually forget one or two. I can't see any difference in toughness by looking at them or shooting them, and I don't see any difference in the lockup. Now that you are channeling your inner Take-a-knee by dropping names, why don't you specify what all those massive design/metallurgical improvements are, because I sure can't see what they are? You've blowing smoke out your butt this whole thread without providing anything resembling evidence. I called your BS on the Beretta slides, and you just pretend you can't read.

How many people do you think you've convinced will hurt their guns with +P?

You haven't remotely quantified dick point squat. Tell me how much faster my gun will wear out from shooting +P or quit pretending you know what you are talking about.

I bear you absolutely no ill will though it may seem I'm angry. I think you are one of our best resources on this forum. I just really think you are full of it on this one.

RufusG,

After all that you say you harbor no ill will; O-KAY. Now this is devolving into a pissing contest and I have no interest in a pissing contest. We look at the same thing and draw two different conclusions; can we leave it at that?

to no-one in particular--

straight or angle?

often, the "truth" lies where they both converge...

regarding learning, it's usually not the best thing for one to "wholesale cling" to any particular viewpoint.

i use +p 9 all the time in certain rigs, seldom use them in some, and never use them in others...

let each person be persuaded in their own mind--but only after doing their own homework on a particular matter...

If given the choice in my 9mm for conceal carry i will take the Plus P, but don't really think the bad guy will be able to tell the difference from the standard HP Loads

Guess I have a bit of a different viewpoint 9mm+P ????
to me that is known as a 38Super

Kel-Tec PF9 3.1" barrel

1) Hirtenberger 100 gr +P+ 1275 fps
2) 124 gr FN Honady bullets and 10 gr Power Pistol. 1336 fps.
3) 158 gr XTP 11 gr Power Pistol, I can't chronograph it.. recoil hurts

Always puzzles me to see those who deliberately CHOOSE to carry a gun in an inadiquite chambering (9mm), then try to "fix" their poor choice by overloading it (+P).

Wouldn't it be smarter to choose a .40 or .45 to begin with??

A 9mm is inadequate (correct spelling)? Do any of your rifle or pistol handloads have a higher velocity than factory laods? If so, they're probably "+P".

My rifle loony detector just sounded the alarm.

I choose the platform first and then deal with the chambering after the fact. I don't carry a 1911 because its a .45 ACP. I wanted the platform first and foremost.

+P ammo is not over loading a 9mm, that is ridiculous

I sure wish we had a "popcorn eating smiley" symbol..

I prefer real butter and sea salt...

You don't like that Cheddar powder they sprinkle on?

Inadequate in comparison to the .45 and .40 only if we are discussing them in FMJ. With the best performing loads, you're only talking a couple of percentage points in stopping power. Not enough to be significant.

Got the popcorn yet?

I shot +P+ Corbon and Federal ammo out of my carry S&W 6906 sparingly for about 15 years.

Don't worry about it.

Somehow the rest of the world gets along fine without either the .45 or the .40, including virtually every military force on earth.

+P+ 9mm ammo just makes it an equivalent to some .357 magnum defensive loadings. I don't see how anyone could see that as a bad thing.

I don't think there is any appreciable difference in the performance of top ammo in any caliber, from .38 special on up. (they all seem to pretty much suck)