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Personally I think they're kinda like an early 1959 99E.
They're hard to find but still only an E. Catch my drift?
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Just to keep things straight for the new guys.... "Salesman Samples" is what Roe Clark (deceased Savage historian and past Savage Arms Company employee) called the roll stamped eg's. Those eager to rewrite history, completely ignore that little factoid. After they were used as Salesman Samples...they were lotted to Spiegel. Finding an old Spiegel ad changes that none. In your conversations with Mr. Clark, did he evern shed any light on what mount the rifles were drilled and tapped for? Thank you. And I'm one of the ones that paid a premium for one and have never regretted that decision.
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I hear ya, Dawg. The last one I remember was at the Albany NY show...used little and showed about 50 plus years of sitting in a closet corner. I was giddy like a school kid to get an factory engraved 99 for 350$'s. I think I sold mine to Rick for about 500. Like an 1959 E...if the price is good and the condition is there...better have one.
LBK, I don't recollect anything said about the holes or what bases belong there. If we discussed that information...it went over the dam. Best to you and Nan.
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I'm one of the ones that paid a premium for one and have never regretted that decision. And you never will...they ain't makin um anymore. That currency you used to buy that beautiful rifle...is just about valueless. That rifle, about priceless.
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The one LBK got is almost new, bore looked to not have been fired, he still dont know how close I came to buying that one!
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The one LBK got is almost new, bore looked to not have been fired, he still dont know how close I came to buying that one! Close only counts in horseshoes. You talked me into making the deal a twofer!!!!!!!!!!! Remember??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm one of the ones that paid a premium for one and have never regretted that decision. And you never will...they ain't makin um anymore. That currency you used to buy that beautiful rifle...is just about valueless. That rifle, about priceless. Best to you and Lulu as well!!!!!!!!!!!
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Just to keep things straight for the new guys.... "Salesman Samples" is what Roe Clark (deceased Savage historian and past Savage Arms Company employee) called the roll stamped eg's. Those eager to rewrite history, completely ignore that little factoid. After they were used as Salesman Samples...they were lotted to Spiegel. Finding an old Spiegel ad changes that none. interesting... I've seen at least one that letters as delivered direct to Spiegel... I was giddy like a school kid to get an factory engraved 99 for 350$'s. . They aren't engraved, they are stamped. Just saying. I'd pay a premium for one, but it would not be a large premium.
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Sounds to me like one of the Savage salesman walked into the Speigel's administrative offices with a "sample" and Speigel was so taken with them that they placed an order for a few hundred.
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Has anyone collected any data on how many have actually surfaced?
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I think Rick has data, imagine that He said mine is the lowest number that he has seen, but mine does not letter to Speigels 359,623 in 303 sav. I also have 371508 EG that is drilled and tapped the same as the Salesman's sample rifle with the same sling swivels but no roll stamp or any checkering. It is a 30-30
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Interesting. Mine is 392XXX and is .303.
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I have data on around 25. Most were produce in 1938, 39 & 40. This also means that they were produced after the 371xxx point where there is no factory data. Most are EG .300's. Most have the B&M D&T'ed holes but not all B&M D&T'ed rifles are roll engraved. The B&M'ed rifles start as early as 1934.
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I've never understood the concept of handing sample rifles out to salesmen that was a combination of features that couldn't be ordered. Why not just give them a 99K as a sample? Or a 99RS? Both of which were their premier products at the time, as opposed to the uncheckered EG.
I know it's heresy to some folks to suggest this.. but Roe wasn't around at Savage in the 30's, and maybe he just made a very logical mistake.
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Why not just give them a 99K as a sample? Most salesmen in the 30's loved to drink, probably were afraid of them dropping the rifle as opposed to the uncheckered EG.
Actually it was half checkered, poor fellow was so tired after doing the butt stocks he just skipped the forestocks
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You've got one of the few that could be lettered.. you done that yet?
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It letters as having been shipped to Kennedy Bros Nov 3 1936, no other information on the model as JTC says from the information provided it is a Model 99EG. No W.O. # or mention of roll stamping or drilling and tapping.
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Thanks for that info. Quite a gap between yours and the next one, at least as far as I've jotted down in my notes. 359,xxx to 376,xxxx. The forearm checkering showed up sometime after 376,xxx - I would guess around 388,000'ish when the EG's got checkering?
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My earliest checkered EG is 392,xxx in 30-30.
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I have 384,xxx checkered EG and I know Ralph has (had?) one with in 50 serial numbers that is checkered also. Both 22HPs.
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