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More proof of life after death. Pretty interesting actually. Started 1/9/12 and died 2/17/12 halfway down page 30. Reincarnated on 11/5/17 and active up to today's date.

On a more serious note I've often thought about seeing just what the 30-06 could do with bullets heavier than 180 gr. and this gives me some idea of what the potential is. One powder not mention is WMR. Winchester's data leaves a great deal to be desired. They give the same data for 200 and 220 gr. bullets and its velocity is low as is the pressure data. Might give that one a try as well as some of the good performers mentioned in the thread.
PJ

Had a canister of it at one time. Ended up dumping it out as Winchester wasn't too happy with this stuff.

If only W-785 was still around . . . sigh . . .

I used R-22 to get to 2650 fps with 200 Pts, in a 24" 700.

Then opted for H4831, both because it was more accurate and consistent, and because I hunt elk often in sub-zero temps. It got me exactly 2599fps, and groups were sub MOA.

On a whim, I decided to try R-16 while trying to get some other 200 grain bullets to shoot. It performed so well that I tried it with Partitions. Easily got over 2700 fps, but the accuracy for me was at 2680 fps. 53.5 grains, CCI 200, Winchester brass. I've shot a bunch of these now, but not at any animals. Maybe this year.

I still use my load with the 200 grain Partitions. Great confidence carrying this rifle and load.

Saw a link to this old thread on another thread...and have been reading thru the entire thing, reliving the past, for the last 2 hours or so...

When I need it, I still load my 06s with the heavier bullets, 200 and 220 grainers... and am using loads I developed years ago, even before this thread. Still using 4831SC, all with 60 grains or more, regular large rifle primers.

But re reading the entire thread, here at the end, seeing the use of RL 16 that caught my attention with its results, so I need to try and test that out.. which is something to get me thru another winter season in Rainy Oregon. I've now hit the age, each hunting season I wonder if its going to be my last. My health is just fine, but when you hit your 70s, that can change in 6 months, down the road.

And I've got an 8 pound keg of RL 16, that I haven't used for anything yet... and I've had it a couple of years. bought it when it was introduced and was on sale at Sportsman's Warehouse.

Nice when things come full circle, and I realize that I am beginning to approach my 19th anniversary on being here on the campfire.

At what point does a stoutly constructed 180 gr./2800 fps fail... but a 200 gr./2700 fps succeeds?

Reach for the 9.3x62mm.




GR

You'll know when it happens. Scary stuff. You'll probably never stop shiitting your pants afterward. Maybe that's not new for you.

It's probably more of a looney thing than a functional thing. I've shot more 200 gr bullets at animals than 180's from 30-06. They all died just the same, with holes through vitals. Have caught more 200's than 180's as well. Just the luck of the draw.

At no point do I think a 200gr bullet killed something that a 180 gr wouldn't. Although, there was an unintentionally ass-shot elk with a 200 gr Sierra started at 2630 fps that centered the right ham from about 65 yards, made it up through the body, and was resting in the meat of the ribs adjacent to the left shoulder. It didn't go far. Perhaps a 180 wouldn't have done so well, but who knows? The recovered bullet mushroomed perfectly, and weighed exactly 150 grains.

That's my take.

The 200 grain will maintain more velocity at long range with less wind drift

A .308 200 gr Nosler partition @ 2700 fps is a very good place to be for game heavier than deer

Given a choice a smart man would take a 6.5mm CM / 140gr VLD @ 2750.

Better killin in close and more reach.

Just Sayin.

Just Sayin or whatever, I really think you are mistaken. Which is kind-speak for "out of your mind." (as long as we are talking about game larger than deer, which is what the post to which you responded was about. For deer-sized game you have a point.)
With the 200 PT having a Litz-measured G1 BC of .501, you'd have to get fairly far out before you found more than two inches of trajectory or drift advantage for the .264" 140 VLD at 2750'. And the 200 PT will hit with much, much, more energy at any sane range. and the nose of that 200 PT will always fragment very destructively and the back end of it will always plow on through.

Mi Dos Centavos,
Rex

Well then post some heavier than deer game and such results.

I'll start here, just for fun.

550yds.

50 yards. 200 Partition. Take your frangible bullet pop-gun to this party.

The Prostitution rests, your honor. ;o)
Rex

Done that.



Want another swing there batter?

And in the bottom of the 16th it's the bears over the cubs.

Looks like those 6.5 Creedmoors in the cartridge sleeve on your buttstock grew a belt, John.
Stretched out a mite too, as did the action on your rifle. What was it you were talking about again?

;o)
Rex

Beat me to it.
FTR If I need more than 150,165,or 180gr. performance out of my 06'. I reach for one of my 300's or my 325WSM. maybe I'm thinking to logically. IDK [color:#CC0000][/color]

Done that? Do long range hunters have a distorted view of size? Here is a spot and stalk black bear shot with a 200gr partition that might outweigh that grizzly. Not to mention the stretch on cartridge selection to boot.

John,
I have used a 6.5 VLD 140 gr on deer and antelope and it worked really well. I have not tried it on anything larger.
I don't hunt elk much these days, but when I did, me and my partners used 300 mags, I used 180 NP and elk would stop them, others used 200 NP and got full penetration and decisive kills every time.
I have shot a couple deer with the 200NP 30-06 combo and it was decisive with little meat loss, I like that.
Where I live and hunt now is thick forest, long shots are rare... and we have grizzly bears. So lately I have leaned towards a 9.3x62 with 286 gr. NP, 338 mag with 210gr NP
and even built a 375 H&H I intend to carry with 250 gr GMX. A 30-06 with a 200 NP would do very well also, it's just to vanilla for me...
I hunt alone most days and these combos bring more piece of mind than a 6.5 Creed with 140 vld's. Of course we are all free to make our own choices and hunting is not an ego game for me. It's me and nature with no observers, no fans, no cheerleaders and I am not selling anything. Just me enjoying nature.
I will continue to use VLD type loads in smaller calibers for deer and antelope in open country though.