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How's the case life Trails?

Dober

Mark, my comment was in general not for the RL17 load. That one is perfectly safe and worth trying.

Honestly I feel safe shooting that 200 grain load in my 30-06, I have a nice rifle and the last thing I would want is to jeopardize my rifle or my health or someone else.

I do need to try JB's load with the 180 grain bullet and Hunter powder.

Spring Bear: 338-06 or 30-06 with 200 grain bullets. Gee, life is so hard.. lol

So far I have 4 firings on the R&P case. I did an OCW test and 57.5,58,and 58.5 all hit same POI. I went up to 59grs. but got sticky bolt. I'm pretty happy with 2700.

RL17 in a Steyr Forester (23" barrel IIRC)

Start lower and work up like I did

# / bullet / weight / BC / OAL / comparator / powder / charge / fps

Nosler brass, body die, lee collet, washered, mica'ed, Fed215M
Load 4 ACCU 200 0.588 3.365 3.750 RL17 52.5 2615
Load 4 ACCU 200 0.588 3.365 3.750 RL17 53.0 2617
Load 4 ACCU 200 0.588 3.365 3.750 RL17 53.5 2654
Load 4 ACCU 200 0.588 3.365 3.750 RL17 54.0 2649
Load 5 ACCU 200 0.588 3.365 3.750 RL17 54.5 2713
Load 4 ACCU 200 0.588 3.365 3.750 RL17 55.0 2742
Load 4 ACCU 200 0.588 3.365 3.750 RL17 55.5 2758

Std load test ACCU 200 0.588 3.365 3.750 RL22 60.0 2628



Elk at 150 yds





On 6th firing on those cases

I don't see why the case life is any shorter with a 200gr vs. a 150gr? If you are loading up to near max and not redlining, the case life and tight primer pockets should be possible at either ends of the spectrum.
Ditto for someones comments on barrel life. Unless I missed something in handloading "101" the only difference should be velocities, accuracies and game performance.

Heavy bullets are notorious for giving shorter barrel life than light bullets. Not sure exactly why.

Case life, OTOH, I don't believe there is a difference. That seems to be solely a function of pressure.

Help me understand the advantages of a 200 grain ACCU over a 180 grain NPT. I reload too so I'm always looking for a better load, but I don't see the point.
According to my software there is an energy (just one factor, of course) advantage for the 200 but it doesn't seem significant. The velocity advantage goes to the 180, as I get 2850 ft/sec or so MV with 59.0 gr. Hunter, compared to 2700 ft/sec for the 200.
The MPBR when sighted in 2.25" high at 100 is nearly the same.
It's fun to talk about and I like the thread, but what's the point?

P

.588 BC and a tip that doesn't deform in the mag.

Bb

I would agree for better wind drift, and BC. I bet the 200gr accubond puts the hammer to game, I know I can tell the difference from 180 to 208gr when it hits steel.

Most long heavier bullets have more bearing surface, therefore some say shorter barrel life.

To me, in a standard chambering [30-06], and it being a hunting rifle, and most of us having plenty of rifles to shoot, i dont think I would notice the difference in barrel life.

Gunner

Those plastic tips deform and break off occasionally too.

Also, it is a fact that a little tip deformation does not affect B.C. nearly as much as people want to believe.

Just the way I see it but, for me the idea of the 200 in lieu of the 180 or lighter is to stack the odds in favor of getting 2 holes on critters. Especially large big game like elk and moose etc.

If, I'm going long (400 and beyond) my rig will have dotz or turrets. MPBR has nothing at all to do with it for me.

Dober

Sub 400, which is where most have experience with I'd say you're right. IME it's where one goes long that lil things like this come into play.

Dober

had this conversation a few years ago, and I got flamed all over the place, until some one came on and supported me...

when he got the wise ass questions of " you got pressure testing equipment to verify that with???"... the poster answered yes.. and gave his phone number if anyone wanted to call him to verify or talk about it...

it had a 541 area code, and when you called it, the receptionist answered "Nosler Bullets".. well that thread became like page 3 or 4 within a very short time.. and the naythesayers disappeared like crazy...

but like the gentleman from Nosler said and supported me.. you can't get enough 4831SC into an 06 case to over pressurized it in regard to SAAMI specs...

in a 22 inch barrel velocity with a 200 grain Speer, exceeded 2800 fps... so 2700 with a 200 in a 21 inch barrel shouldn't be a big deal...

and I loaded up several cases to test primer pocket life... after 10 reloads they were still tight on the 11th primer inserted into them..

I've been using the 200 gr. Nosler Partition on my custom '06 for a while.
Tested on a warm day, 89 degrees, I loaded and shot both 60 grs. and 61 grs. of H4831SC in 4X fired WW cases. No pressure signs, and after the test the primer pockets were tight. Brass had been previously loaded 4 times with a 59 gr. charge of H4831 w/ the same 200 gr. NP's. That load clocks 2672 out of my 24 inch Pac-Nor barrel.
I'm satisfied it is a good practical load. Zeroed at +2.3 inches at 100 yds., she's down 7 inches at 300 yds. E

22" tube and a 200 @ 2800, I gotta ask how much H4831 were you pouring to it? I'd have to guess 61 or 62?

Dober

Hello Mark,

Fantastic thread!! I am starting to work with the .30-06. I have got a nice FN-Akah from the sixties. It has a 60 cm barrel almost new. I have only 165 and 180 grs bullets (Rem Core-Lockt and Hornady Spire Point flat base). The only powders we have here right now are the Alliant Reloder series, minus R17 (of course!!)I have R22 and R19. This powders are, in some lots, almost the same thing, in my experiences with a 7x57.
My goal is to achieve simmilar velocity/trayectory in the .30-06 with 180-200 grs bullets as with 160-175 grs bullets in the 7x57 (Mauser also with 60 cm barrel).
Actually I can get 2750 fps with 160 grs, and 2650 fps with 175 grs and R22 in the 7x57 with very good case life (+7).
From what I am reading in this post I understand I should get my goal easely!!
With my other BG rifle, a Pre-64 .375 H&h, I use 260/270 and 300 grs bullets loaded at 2800/2700 fps and 2600 fps, respectively. And almost the same trayectory as with the 7x57.
I also am a one (or two) loads/gun guy!

Thank you!

Best Regards

PH

Good stuff J...thanks for posting
We'll talk soon!

In two or three 06's I've shot 200 Speers over 59 I4831 and had repeatable accuracy with good case life. Have never chronied it so can't help there.

Jim