Home Forums Hunting & Shooting BPCR C. Sharps or Shiloh Sharps, high wall or 1873?

I thought I would ask a question. I have been thinking about a Sharps rifle sometime in the future. And I have a second thought about a Browning High or Low Wall. I think that C. Sharps is the only option there as Shiloh does not make the Browning rifles. How do you choose one company over the other? How does the Browning compare to the Sharps rifle? One of these days I will have to take a trip to Big Timber to take a look at those operations. In the meantime maybe you guys can school me on the fine points.

They are all good rifles. What are your priorities? What kind of shooting do you plan to do? How much do you want to spend and how long are you willing to wait? How important are historical authenticity and USA manufacture? As you have noted, not all models and options are available from each of these companies.

Viewing manufacturing operations may be interesting, but not particularly germane to a decision as to which of these rifles to purchase. JMO.

Paul

Both Shiloh an CSA are highquality rifles. There is a slight difference in the stock proportions, the Shiloh being somewhat slimmer than the C Sharps.So if you're just going to get one, it might be best to handle one of each to see which fits and feels the best.
As for the 1885's the ones Winchester are selling now are about as good as they get.

I don't know about High Walls as I have not owned or shot one. I have handled C Sharps rifles and they are a well made rifle. That said, I own 2 - Shilohs and have had numerous calls to the company handled professionally and to my satisfaction. Shiloh is, IMHO, a very top-rate company. Shiloh also offers rifles for immediate sale (as does, I'm sure, C Sharps) on their website - rifles, for whatever reason, that were never actually purchased or issued. If you are a bit flexible in what you want in a rifle, you can have one in hand in less than a week. Most of the ones Shiloh has "in stock" are not really "dolled up" or of unusual caliber, so you may just see something you "need".

You'd have fun and be pleased with any of the ones you mentioned as well as the Winchester mentioned.

I mess around with black powder a good deal and think a cartridge gun would be fun. I'd like to hunt with it and maybe get into the silhouette shooting game. I have a three band Enfield repro and like to shoot that a lot. But I think something like a Sharps would be a great hunting rifle and just fun to shoot. Maybe something like a hunter's carbine.

A hunting rifle and a silhouette rifle are pretty different actually. Took a while to convince me of that, but true nonetheless.

A Browning/Winchester 1885 bpcr is a pretty heavy rifle for hunting. Sharps can be lighter or heavier, depending on configuration. There are lighter Winchester 85s too. CSharps will make one to your specifications and a Uberti is out there with varying quality reports.

A sharps carbine or a Sharps #3 sporter with a standard weight barrel in 28-32" is a pretty nice hunting rifle and I use the latter myself. I don't really care for carbines personally, but that's just a personal thing.

Hunting and possible sillouette, Brent's #3 would be a good choice as would the Shiloh Montana roughrider, and the Winchester sporter model of the 1885,http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/detail.asp?family=002C&mid=534183

The Winchester High Walls are pretty inexpensive from CDNN. The Pedersoli Sharps are very accurate, well finished, available, and less expensive.

And not a damn one of them made in the USA.

Nice edit ---

So why did the OP want to consider Brownings?

Didn't see where OP stated USA rifle

Because apparently, he was under the mistaken impression they were equal to Shilohs and C Sharps.

It's amazing to me that anyone would even discuss a C Sharps or Shiloh in the same sentence as a Miroku made Browning. The Montana made guns are twice the rifle and much more expensive in the field grades.. And worth every penny because Americans make them.

The stocks on the Mirokus are American Walnut, and the barrels on the bpcr models are Badger...

On rifles that the MSRP is as much as a Shiloh.

And BTW I have owned 5 Browing BPCR rifles and Badge barrels or not they would not make a zit on a Shilho's azz.

Anyone who pays $1,500+ for a Badger barreled Miroku BPCR is a damn fool.

My aren't we in a good mood this morning
No doubt about it, Shiloh's are the best, but when it comes to hiwalls, Shiloh is out, and Winchester is in, and the number of folks shooting out of the box Brownings and Winchesters and placing high or winning is fairly impressive.

I have felt that way about the Brownings for the last 10 years- not just this morning. Good guns, but not int he same league as an 1885 C Sharps High wall. And it's not because I did not give them a fair shot.

Actually the bigger fool is the idiot down in Texas who thought the Miroku made 1885s were worthy of an entire book. THAT is the definition of a fool.

E Blair,
While little jim continues to have a bad hair day over the Miroku 1885s made first with the Browning moniker and later with the Winchester label, rest assured they are probably the most accurate bpcrs you can pull off the shelf. For certain they are not a bit less accurate than a Shiloh for instance.

Aesthetically, I find them challenging to warm up to, but they shoot extremely well. They are also remarkably reliable rifles, though the others are as well, but I think Miroku could hold a slight edge given the number of folks that have them and the very small number of complaints about them failing.

Their three biggest negatives are,
1. A less than wonderful trigger than cannot be used in "set trigger" fashion. For a small price - remarkably small actually, Lee Shaver tunes this to a very serviceable trigger suitable for the best target work

2. They are hard to take apart - or rather to reassemble once taken down. But there are tricks and jigs to make this easier.

3. Their finish does not grab me in a favorable way. But you can always refinish one if it bugs you.

In then end, master class shooters win with these rifles. They are affordable in new or used conditions and they are available. The guy that wrote the book that so bugs little jim is also very helpful with connecting people with these rifles and also often has a few to sell. He's a good guy and infinitely more friendly than little jim.

The Pedersolis are also good rifles and have a reputation for accuracy. I also don't care for their finish on metal or rifle but nothing is wrong with them and they can be match winners just as readily as a Shiloh.

I don't have anything good to say about Uberti though others like them. The one Uberti product I owned (a revolver) was mechanically poorly made that affected much more than just cosmetics.

C Sharps and Shilohs will shoot with the best, but they don't run away from a Browning/Winchester (Miroku) highwall except for when it comes to looks. In accuracy and dependability, they are AT LEAST the equal of all the rest.

Now little jim will be back with more belittling of everything and everyone, but that's just something we all have to live with.

E Blair,
Check your PMs.

Brent

This past weekend I shot in a BPCR silhouette match with a shooter who holds a Grand Slam in that event. For those not familiar with BPCR silhouette, 10-in-a-row on the longer three targets shot from prone off cross sticks is difficult, but doable. I've done it myself, but 10-in-a-row on the chickens shot offhand is simply awesome, and accomplished by only a handful of shooters. This gent may also have won at least one national championship, but I'm not certain of that.

He shoots a Browning.

Paul

I handled a Win/Miroku 1885 Traditional Hunter last weekend, in .32-40. No it's not made in Montana, but it's nice anyway, and no doubt strong as heck. They also had a .45-70 trad hunter, both with 28" barrels and tang sights.

I also have a B78 from the 1970's, that is just startling in accuracy, and will buy another. That said, Shilohs are just plain art.

I've shot some Shilohs and Pedersolis side by side. I bought a Pedersoli. There's little question that the Jap rifles are very well made and accurate. Of course you can't be a name dropper but you'll have a lot of money for ammo and reloading equipment.

CDNN has the Jap Winchesters for 1/2 what a Shiloh sells for.

Hey, it was fun watching you set us up with all those "misses", than change ammo and shoot so well.

People, Paul has this Lilja Barreled Miruko Low wall, wearing MVA glass that would call out all the definitions of envy,.....

Having him around, and hanging out with him is the TRULY enviable part of the game, hope he'll return and whup up on us again.

GTC

True indeed. Short of a high dollar hand made custom unit, I think Shiloh does the finest production work of any US maker. They can certainly stand with folks like Holland & Holland too. One can not fit a human hair between wood and metal on their rifles. I do a little stockmaking, and can only dream of accomplishing the fit on their rifles. Absolute perfection.

Ha! You're too kind. Those condition changes skunked us all.

Shooting those little bitty buffalo silhouettes at 200 meters with .22 single shots was a kick. If a guy did that regularly he might learn to judge conditions and shoot halfway decent.

Thanks for a great time down in the border country.

Starting tomorrow I'm going to have a go with the .30-30 in my first lever silhouette match. Nothing like a state championship for your first such endeavor. Heard tell that a certain lady went 40 for 40 in that game.

Paul

Brent,

First of all read my reply again you pompous jackazz.

No matter HOW they shoot, the the Brownings have an UNSAFE potmetal trigger with a SOFT metal insert. They do NOT take down like an origional 1885. They sure as hell are not even close to the quality of a Shiloh or C. Sharps.

Anyone who would pay within a few hundred $$ of a Montana made rifles for a for a "sort of Jap made 1885 has a screw loose.

And actually I don't everyone or everything. Just pompous coksuckers like yourself who are all talk.

Paul,

I am sure if this gentleman really exists, you would not mind telling everyone his real name.

Ron Calderone

What state is he from?
AZ?

Arizona, though I don't know what that has to do with anything.

Brian Chilson, another champion silhouette shooter, is from PA.

Where anybody is from has nothing to do with shooting ability or the topic of this thread.

Paul

Paul.

I just wanted to make sure it was the Ron Calderone I was thinking of who was from AZ.

Thanks providing a name.

I dunno WHO the [bleep] you are (or THINK you are), and don't much care,....but I was spotting for Calderone the day that the 10th Turkey fell, garnering him the first ever "Grand Slam" in NRA BPCRS competition, you mouthy azzwhole.

I know that Rifle better than you'll ever know what the [bleep] you're talking about, Se�or.

Why don't you "Make sure" of that, after kissing my ass.

GTC

Crossfire.

Until Paul39 Provided a name, I had no verifiable reference for what he is even talking about. I realize Ron Calderone actually exists. Congratulations to you for actually realizing that ,too.

If could learn to READ- I never said anywhere that a Browning would not shoot- just that in overall build quality they are not comparable to a Shilho or C Sharps.. Nothing like a POS pot metal trigger with a soft key stock insert for "longevity"on the Brownings..

Well little jim, you returned just as I expected. And I'm sure we are all impressed that for 5 minutes you out shot Brian Chilson. I'd put money any day on Chilson over you, but maybe you would get incredibly lucky again. It happens - even to creeps like you.

Now tell us about all the hundreds of broken pot metal Browning BPCRs you have had in your shop. I'm sure they must overrun the place. Everywhere else however, they are one of the most dependable rifles on the line.

They are very comparable to Shilohs and CSAs - they beat them regularly. Just like everyone beats you regularly.

Now please regale once again us with the tale of how you beat Garbe in Raton. That was a good one. Or maybe a good story about all those times you whipped Ron Calderone.

I sure hope you come to Raton this year. I will be looking for you.

Brent

Brent.

The rifles don't do any winning. The shooters do. Dumbphcks like you squall about the quick locktime of a Highwall,Ballard or Stevens and then get your sorry azz kicked on the firing line by a 70 year old man shooting a sidehammer sharps. And so it goes. Morons like you never figure that out.

And yes, I did outshoot Chilson a few years ago at the Nationals. He really crashed and burned that year. I also did outhoot Garbe the Chicken line both days the very first Raton Nats I shot at. We were both shooting well. I was shooting a straight gripped Shiloh no 3 in 45-70. He was shooting his shotgun butted Ballard Schutzen High Wall in 38-55. Ron Long was spotting for him.

I realize a piss poor rifle shot like yourself can only snipe at folks with real ability. Just like you did with Ventorino before he kicked your sorry no talent azz in your little head to head shooting match .

Also, I never said I outshoot Calderdone at a match. I have never even mentioned the man's name on this forum until now. If you can find a post on this form where I said I outshot Calderone -I would sure like for you to post a link to it.

As to your liberal educated azz- I could outshoot you any day of the week in a BPCR registered match- with a used Pedersoli sidehammer. And that is a stone cold fact.

So, why don't you take your Sharps hating, wolf loving ass and go [bleep] yourself.

Paul don't get to having such a good time down there that you forget to come shoot Alliance in a couple months.
Glad to hear your snowbirding adventure is going well.

I guess the Sharps action is preferred to the Browning High Wall.

That just depends on ones personal tastes.
Myself I prefer the 74 sharps rifles, but have a fair amount of high requard for the 1885 winchesters, no matter who makes them.
Shiloh IMHO makes the best of the 74's.
The Miroku built 1885 Browning/Winchesters are extremely well made and dependable guns.

No not at all. The Sharps is a beautiful rifle that shoots very well. The Browning Highwall is a not quite so beautiful rifle that just at least as well.


Now, little jim, I'd be happy to see try to outshoot me at Raton. I'd be more than happy, in fact, I've already offered up a challenge and you ran and hid from that. So, I'll be there. I just might have to beat you with a Sharps though. Mine just being a junker 1877 Sharps though. Or maybe a Highwall - which would you prefer. You can pick.

By the way, I know who you are, and I'm happy to tell anyone else that cares. It doesn't look good though when someone googles your name now does it? I mean really, it gets repetitious.

That also means, I know your scores from those days of yesteryear when you shot more chickens than Garbe - you also got your clock your clock cleaned by the time the match was over. You tend to leave those parts out.

You are a good enough shot to have about a 50:50 chance to beat me... See ya there sucker.

As Ranch13 said, much of that is personal taste.

Or what you can afford to pay.

For pure match use, the '74 Sharps rifles do have a slower locktime. Some folks won't shoot them in a match because they feel that costs them points.

The problem with any of the Japanese made "1885" rifles is half of the mechanism is NOT an original 1885 rifle at all. Yes. the lever breechblock and basic receiver configuration is the same. but the entire main spring/sear/ trigger mechanism is different. The Japanese actions do not take down very easily for maintenance like the origionals. You cannot put set triggers in a Miroku made gun. And the trigger issues are definitely there- both in safely attainable pull weights and the quality of the parts.

That is the main reason why I said you cannot put them in the same catagory as a C Sharps or Shiloh made rifle. If you want an 1885 rifle and can spend the extra $$, by ALL MEANS get an 1885 made by C Sharps. It's a near exact replica of an Early flatside 1885 High Wall rifle.

Eblair, the C Sharps 1875 should also get some mention. Not the prettiest rifle in the world, but darn sure a better entry level gun than one of the Italian Sharps or hiwalls.

In what way will a 75 be better than a Pedersoli Sharps or a Browning Highwall? I would venture none. It doesn't look as good as any of them, it will shoot worse and it is generally less reliable from the wide variety of reports on these. They are okay rifles, but they are not better than the above.

Brent never said they'ld be better than a Miroku built hiwall....
They do have a very good lock time, and now also the set trigger option.
The advantage they carry over the Pederoli sharps is price and overall quality and service after the sale.
Have neither heard or experienced the reliability problem with the 75's.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder..

I had looked at the C Sharps 1875 at their website and wondered just what the main mechanical difference is between the 1874 and 1875. Just looking at the style, the 1874 is more appealing to me. Can someone explain the difference?

The 75 action is trimmer than a 74, very similar in size to the Hiwall. All the lock parts are internal in the action.

The DEEP receiver ring (compared to the '74) is a DECIDED and inarguable "Accuracy Edge". Faster lock time, too.

These are all kinda' [bleep] piddly details, ANY of the American made rifles discussed will shoot well. Italian quality can be on again, off again, particularly in the area of small parts heat treatment.

I like the '74 for the EASE of cleaning up, compared to the Walls and Rollers.

GTC

I was going to buy a Shiloh Sharps, but everyone I spoke to said the Italian guns were more accurate. I found this to be the case when I shot them too. I'm just sayin'.

Guess that is why the top 10 shooters at the 2009 Nationals all shot Italian guns.

http://www.bpcr.net/site_docs-resul...ampionship_top-10-finishers-e-survey.htm

Swamp if you had so much experience with a sharps, then how did it come to pass that you did not know to put the hammer on half cock before you opened the breechblock?
Pedersoli's are decent rifles, the cost difference between a Shiloh and the Pedersoli in insignificant. The quality of the Shiloh is miles ahead, the warranty of the Shiloh is unbeatable, and should a person decide at a later point to sell the rifle the Shiloh will likely appreciate , or at very least not loose any value, the first round you put thru your Pedersoli you lost 25% and the depreciation will only get worse.

Ranch13: You asked the same question of the "expert" that's been on my mind.

I never said or implied that I had any experience. I bought my Pedersoli for $600.00. That seemed like a significant cost difference. I doubt I'll lose any money on it.

any one interested in a real 1875 Sharps, I think this is one of only two ever made, is up for sale. If only CSA made their 75 like that one!

http://jamesdjulia.com/auctions/catalog_detail_shots.asp?Details=44917x104&sale=320

And for those with really really deep pockets, the best Sharps of all
http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/admin/product_details.php?itemID=49412

Much to little jim's surprise I shoot one of these myself. It's my #1 target rifle at the moment. Just not an original.



E Blair, depending on how hard you are willing to shop, the used rifle market might be a good place to pick up a rifle that suits your fancy.

You stated that you had shot many Shilohs along side of Pedersoli's and came to the conclusion that Pedersoli was the better rifle.
You bought a used pedersoli carbine for half what the current price is on new ones.... Not real likely to get that sort of a deal on a Shiloh or C Sharps, unless you stumble into something that the seller doesn't know what they have, or at an auction someplace where there's no interest....

Brent I'ld about guess that CSA would build you one that looked just like that one, about all you need do is place the order and write the check...

One thing for sure and certain. You don't see anyone selling their Shiloh so they can buy a Pedersoli. On the other hand..

I'd love to have a Shiloh but then I always rode Harleys even though I knew Hondas were better bikes. I don't think the Pedersoli's are better rifles, I do think they are generally more accurate rifles.

If you get the higher end Shilohs, the fit and finish is very attractive.

2009 Raton BPCR Nationals
1st - Shiloh
2nd - Meacham Hi Wall
3rd - Shiloh
4th - Shiloh
5th - Other
6th - Shiloh
7th - C Sharps
8th - C Sharps
9th - Winchester Hi Wall
10th - Meacham Hi Wall

Even the plain Jane Shiloh's the fit and finish is attractive.

I might be wrong on this, but several years ago Pedersoli started the 5 @ 200 I think to promote his rifles and I think the pedersoli's seldom finished on top.
But like I said I might be wrong, wont be the first time.

As far as the Shiloh finish; there is no difference between the plain Jane and the highly decked out east coats parlor gun they are all excellent fit and finish.

Pedersoli also had a MOA challenge out there for a while. I believe the only person to meet the challenge did so with a Browning/Miroku highwall.

"I do think they are generally more accurate rifles"

"Think",...that's the operative word in your little thesis.

Lots of us here KNOW , and have formulated ours on longer, and WAY broader experience bases.

The later Pedersoli barrels MARKEDLY improved over the earlier quality,....as did their reamer designs, but than again, so did the REST of the industry, in the same time period.

The SQUAREST Sharps '74 I've ever worked on (and I've worked on "A Few") is a Shilo, and the general evidence of "The Builder gave a Rat's azz" is clearly and unquestionably weighted to the American built arms.

To say that the stock Pedersoli is "Generally more accurate" is horsechit, Mister, and their product support SUCKS.

GTC

That's fine, I'm not willing to let the fact that Shiloh makes an attractive, expensive, and hard to get rifle plus personal bias cloud my judgement. I just wanted best accuracy.

"When you find yourself in a hole, the first step is to stop digging"

Last time I checked the entry level Shilohs came with plain wood and matte finished metal. Has that changed?

plain wood and action is case colored finish.

It seems like you have to get above $2000.00 to get nicely blued metal.

No, I don't think they could. Their 75 is quite different I believe.

Gulf Breeze Firearms has quite a few of the Dakota Sharps rifles and they seem nice.

They are not a full sized rifle.

They are also overpriced at 4K+++++++.

Swampy- you are an idiot.

Bullschit.

Every rifle discussed here has nicely blued metal for under 2k.

Really the website says matte finished on the afforadable Shilohs.

Did you have a point? They are a full sized rifle, they just are a full scale 1874 Sharps replica like the Shiloh.

To get a nicely finished Shiloh it's easy to spend 4K.

That is BS and you know it Swampy. The last one I got from Shiloh is a gorgeous #3 Sporter, semi-fancy wood, 30" heavy bbl in 45-90. Placed my order on a Friday and had it in hand the following Thursday. They had one in stock that fit what I wanted - couldn't have custom ordered one any closer to what I wanted, although I woudn't have ordered the semi-fancy stock. Didn't cost anywhere near $4k either. The "personal bias" is the key in your sentence (actually more like "personal opinion"). If you don't want to get a Shiloh . . . that's fine, but everybody is entitled to do make their own choices, right or wrong.

One thing for sure and certain. You don't see anyone selling their Shiloh so they can buy a Pedersoli. On the other hand."
--Sharpsguy

Now that is d*mn true and funny too!....

Good point. That one sure rings true.

My point is that early everything you have posted on this entire thread is utter bullschit.

The Dakota Arms Sharps are NOT full sized Sharps rifles.
They are 3/4 sized "LIL" Sharps.

A standard model Shiloh 1874 with standard finish and wood IS nicely finished and blued at less than 2K. I have owned several and just put in an order for another one.

It's as nicely finished as any standard Dakota Arms model 10 at over 4K. Only a clueless jackass like yourself who's never actually held any of them would even argue to point.

Given your penchant for plastic stocked Walmart Remington bolt guns, you would not know a nicely finished rifle if it hit you up side the head.

swampy getting his ass handed to him again, nothing new....

C Sharps has been building top line 77s for YEARS now.

GTC

77s are not 75s. Not even close. The original 75 and the CSA 75 are quite different.

This is a 75


I posted a photo of my 77 earlier.

E Blair the OP, asked for advice to buy a C Sharps High Wall reproduction or to get a Browning reproduction High Wall.Don't see where he made any inquiry about Shiloh at all.He wants a High Wall reproduction ,not a 74,75,or 77 Sharps copy. Std Shiloh blue is dull if you want a mirror blue you order the polished barrel @ $132 extra. C.Sharps also offers extras and options at extra cost. Pedersoli makes a reproduction that sorta looks like a 74 Sharps ,no extras,no options and costs alot for what you get. My 2 cts worth Magnum Man

You've got to be joking....These guys don't know $hit from Shinola.

You Sir, are the most delusion [bleep] I have ever seen post here.

I just don't let personal bias keep me away from good inexpensive firearms. I appreciate expensive guns, but they have to perform. I wanted an American made rifle but all of the local BPCR shooters said don't waste your money. I even tried shooting them side by side. Being a name dropper is cool but twice the money for a so so shooter isn't within my budget.

Well, whoever the "local BPCR shooters" you talked to were full of schit and obviously speaking from the same level of financial and intellectual poverty you speak from..The blind leading the blind.

Pedersolis and other imported guns shoot just fine(most of the time) but anyone who has actually owned samples of those rifles will tell you that a Pedersoli is not as well built or finely finished as a Shiloh or C. Sharps. Only a blind man would make that claim. And I have never heard of any Shiloh or C Sharps who made the claim that their rifles did not shoot extremely well when simply fed decent ammo and aimed correctly.

Accuracy was my primary concern. I would have paid $2000.00 for a Shiloh if they were more accurate.

An understatement to be sure. Ever see him wearing that goofy hat? Man I wish I would have kept the picture when he posted it. What an idiot.

My first reproduction Sharps was a Pedersoli that I ordered from Cabela's when they first stocked them. now I have 6 Shiloh's and one being build. There has to be a reason.
I don't know what the imports selling for now and I don't care. I learn fast what not to get again. The hammer on the import started to look like the head of a chisel after getting beat on with a hammer. The main spring broke in a short time. The tang sight flopped back and forth, Tried to tighten it up and it held for two range sessions well It's laying in the weeds. Went to using the ladder sight and the slide would not hold in position. The lever started to grind down on the lever spring to the point that it was uneven on the spring face.
I called Pedersoli in Italy and talked to a very polite lady to get a credit for the expense of replacement parts and all I got was "i'm sorry to hear about your problem with the rifle"

I always say first time it/s your fault second time it's my fault.

A Shiloh might cost a little more, cant say this for sure, but the quality and customer service and the lifetime warranty is second to none.

Kurt

How many National BPCR Silhouttte championships have been won with Pedersolis '74 rifles?

Answer -NONE.

Shiloh 1874s have won at least 5. All of them with factory barrels.

Every Shiloh rifle I have owned could shoot MOA or less 3 shot groups with shaded iron sights at 100 yards from the bench. Smokeless or BP loads. The Pedersolis I have owned were no more accurate than that.

The only way a Shiloh rifle would be inaccruate is if some dumbass like you was shooting it.

So you have experience or no?

If not why are you giving advice on this subject?

I've said it before, you remind me of a prize-fighter who keeps blocking punches with his face, you take a beating everyday, but never learn anything...

And that's whole point dip $hit. For twice the money and a one year wait the Shiloh should be quite a bit more accurate.

None of those winning Shilohs were even remotely stock OEM rifles. We all know and accept that.

I like the Shiloh and if I had disposeable income I might buy one. As it is I feel very comfortable with some of the inexpensive rifles. They are very attractive and accurate. You know I'm right no matter what you say. I know I'm right too. If want to advise folks to waste their money, that's up to you. If I were looking to invest just for resale and not looking for a shooter the Shiloh would be my 1st choice. I have no concern that you fellows think you are winning these exchanges because you haven't yet.

Swampturd,

YOU are the only "dipschit" here.

As long as a no talent dumbazz like you is not shooting them- A Shiloh is as inherently accurate as any other 2k Rifle.

Your comment about the Shilohs that have won National championships not being stock is an utter LIE and truly shows how little you know about BPCR shooting or Shiloh rifles. Which makes sense because your dumb hillbilly azz has never even BEEN to a BPCR Nationals.

Most if not all of those Championship winning Shilohs had all their factory parts. You see VERY few rebarreled Shilohs on a BPCR line and when you do its simply because the owner wanted a caliber change,certainly not because the origional tube did not shoot.