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Sporterized Argentine Mauser.Caliber is 7.65x53.It has 23" barrel. Receiver is marked "Mauser Modelo Argentino 1891. Manufactura Loewe Berlin." It also has clasped hands stamped on all major components. The action and barrel are in great shape,bore is bright, the wood is good except for the usual minor dents due to normal usage. Has weaver scope bases already attached. I'll consider partial trades + cash,$200 minimum and a trade to cover the reminder of the $399 asked price,FTF at asked price includes a box of factory hunting ammo. Email with any questions.C&R OK.Ships USPS Priority within Michigan for $25 (no FFL required I.D. a must) or Fedex Overnight $35 to FFL/C&R to lower 48.Personal check payment item ships when check clears.
Also on GB with more pics search for shipping needs. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=272234735
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you do not even need C+R for a Loewe, they are pre 1898 , as per BATF
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Pre 1 Jan, 1899.
Antique, as far as the Feds are concerned.
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I am not a dealer,I just happen to have this old rifle for sale so,if anybody is interested in it,I'll need some kind of 01 or 03 license just for my peace of mind
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Listed on GunBroker with link............check
member since yesterday................check
Rare collectable bubba'd milsurp............check
wants FFL's for "peace of mind"...............check
going to ship milsurp rifle "fed ex overnight"............check
Uses bold and large size fonts to show he's serious........check
If there is any proof of a man in a hunt it is not whether he killed a deer but how he hunted it.
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If you need it shipped is more practical and SAFE on GB........check Not born on the day I became a member.......check Everybody is entitled to an opinion on stuff they can't afford.......check The rifle is logged on my C&R don't expect you to even know what it means.......check Not everybody has a 20/20 vision but you........check Get a life so you don't bother others please. Listed on GunBroker with link............check
member since yesterday................check
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He means you sound kind of like a hustler with all the bells and whistles. The regulars on here don't need either. You want a lot of money for something you think is collectible. Most don't. And don't tell us you want a FFL transfer for "piece of mind". You will ship it to anyone in-state without "piece of mind". Just clarifying. If you sound like a salesman, don't be surprised if you are treated like one.
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Here's a whistle for you:By law,in my State,Michigan,long guns can be shipped USPS between individuals with no restriction,paperwork,4473 etc.you can check,don't take my word for it. I,however,ask for I.D. so I know who to log the gun off to. I'm sure you read that too right? Why some of the members here are so defensive?If anybody disagree with my price just don't buy it or look somewhere else. He means you sound kind of like a hustler with all the bells and whistles. The regulars on here don't need either. You want a lot of money for something you think is collectible. Most don't. And don't tell us you want a FFL transfer for "piece of mind". You will ship it to anyone in-state without "piece of mind". Just clarifying. If you sound like a salesman, don't be surprised if you are treated like one.
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Are you ignorant, or just a consummate azzhole?
Hunt with Class and Classics
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Acquit v. t. To render a judgment in a murder case in San Francisco... EQUAL, adj. As bad as something else. Ambrose Bierce “The Devil's Dictionary”
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Are you ignorant, or just a consummate azzhole?
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Are you ignorant, or just a consummate azzhole? Cut the guy a break, he's almost hit double digit postings............almost.
If there is any proof of a man in a hunt it is not whether he killed a deer but how he hunted it.
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The model is from 1891 for sure but,since I'm only a newbie here and I don't know nothing (you are only knowledgeable when you hit the 3.000.000 posts,no matter what they're for.....???),I can't be sure the rifle wasn't made after 1898. It is in too good shape to be that old and Loewe made these rifle until they were replaced by the 1909 model.....But then again whay do I know...I only have 10 posts. you do not even need C+R for a Loewe, they are pre 1898 , as per BATF
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I see the "class" you're talking about.Nice job. Are you ignorant, or just a consummate azzhole?
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OK Welcome to the campfire, your free link to GB. And, thanks for all your past contributions.
Hunt with Class and Classics
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The model is from 1891 for sure but,since I'm only a newbie here and I don't know nothing (you are only knowledgeable when you hit the 3.000.000 posts,no matter what they're for.....???),I can't be sure the rifle wasn't made after 1898. It is in too good shape to be that old and Loewe made these rifle until they were replaced by the 1909 model.....But then again whay do I know...I only have 10 posts. you do not even need C+R for a Loewe, they are pre 1898 , as per BATF http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=33457What he was trying to tell you is the last Ludwig Lowe 1891 was built in 1896, so if you could let someone help you instead of spout back your ignorance for a minute you might learn something. Also before you post that you are going to ship FedEx overnight you might look at what that will cost you. Be ready to see a C-note wave bye-bye. Had your rifle been built post 1898, but was still over 50 years old, it would in fact be no longer C&R eligible since it's been "sporterized" into it's no longer original military configuration. I'll bet you didn't make too many friends in kindergarten.
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Had your rifle been built post 1898, but was still over 50 years old, it would in fact be no longer C&R eligible since it's been "sporterized" into it's no longer original military configuration. WRONG. Look up the actual section of the law you're butchering, sport. The gun only has to fall into one category to be recognized as C&R. " � 478.11 Meaning of terms.Curios or relics. Firearms which are of special interest to collectors by reason of some quality other than is associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons. To be recognized as curios or relics, firearms must fall within one of the following categories: (a) Firearms which were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof; (b) Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and (c) Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event. Proof of qualification of a particular firearm under this category may be established by evidence of present value and evidence that like firearms are not available except as collector's items, or that the value of like firearms available in ordinary commercial channels is substantially less." http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-4.pdfPay attention to this key part: To be recognized as curios or relics, firearms must fall within one of the following categories...ONE category, not ALL categories. The standard admonishment remains, PLEASE DON'T POST BULLSHIT. Thanks.
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The model is from 1891 for sure but,since I'm only a newbie here and I don't know nothing (you are only knowledgeable when you hit the 3.000.000 posts,no matter what they're for.....???),I can't be sure the rifle wasn't made after 1898. It is in too good shape to be that old and Loewe made these rifle until they were replaced by the 1909 model.....But then again whay do I know...I only have 10 posts. you do not even need C+R for a Loewe, they are pre 1898 , as per BATF http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=33457What he was trying to tell you is the last Ludwig Lowe 1891 was built in 1896, so if you could let someone help you instead of spout back your ignorance for a minute you might learn something. Also before you post that you are going to ship FedEx overnight you might look at what that will cost you. Be ready to see a C-note wave bye-bye. Had your rifle been built post 1898, but was still over 50 years old, it would in fact be no longer C&R eligible since it's been "sporterized" into it's no longer original military configuration. I'll bet you didn't make too many friends in kindergarten. "C&R = Crudely Reworked?" Is this your way to get to be somebody's friend? Maybe we met in kindergarten LOL! Since it looks like you are some kind of spoke-person and,above all an expert,here's the rifle serial #: N5159 It matches on all parts except for the stock,of course. Could you or anybody here tell me more about this "piece of junk"? 10 posts = the guy's never seen a FedEx office before.....
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Could you or anybody here tell me more about this "piece of junk"?
I can tell you in two weeks no one in the US decided to place an opening bid for your rifle at $368.99. Who knows where the reserve is. Then I can tell you after you re-listed for $339.98 you still have not gotten a bid. The point you have missed in all this [bleep] is I/we don't appreciate "folks" who make their first post in the classifieds to peddle their stuff without becoming a contributing member here at the 'fire. Some forums keep people from utilizing the classifieds until a number of postings or an amount of time has gone by. That is why it amazes me when folks want to sell there firearms with there first post, and attempt to sell after they have lectured us on all the hoops were supposed to jump through to get the chance to do business with them. Oh and by the way, it is considered rude to do all of the above, and then post your link to a "pay for service" provider such as Gun Broker. Let me know if anything I have typed is too confusing for you, I can always type a little slower.
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