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People can be schitheads in how they go out and get their meat and trophies.
People can be just as big of schitheads in how they choose to enforce the law, or "contests".
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ignorance of the law is no excuse
the game laws that are written are not guidelines or suggestions
i hope he gets more than he deserves Unless you are a LEO in the state of La. Here they are protected by state law.
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http://www.louisianasportsman.com/details.php?id=3658I saw a picture of the wardens holding this rack and it was indeed a world class buck and would have possibly been our new state record. What's sad is that it was legally taken except for the cal(204, via the 204 Ruger). He could have taken it with the lowly 22 Hornet and been legal, yet he took it with a cart of greater ballistics and got nailed. If it would have been a normal size buck, I doubt anything would have been done to him. A felony for using the wrong caliber? You've got to be kidding. 
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http://www.louisianasportsman.com/details.php?id=3658I saw a picture of the wardens holding this rack and it was indeed a world class buck and would have possibly been our new state record. What's sad is that it was legally taken except for the cal(204, via the 204 Ruger). He could have taken it with the lowly 22 Hornet and been legal, yet he took it with a cart of greater ballistics and got nailed. If it would have been a normal size buck, I doubt anything would have been done to him. A felony for using the wrong caliber? You've got to be kidding. If memory serves me correctly, the felony counts fall under the Rico Act.
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Quite a few years ago in a Central LA paper there was a story of a gentleman (doctor I think) who took a deer with a spear he had made. It was a nice buck. Bad part is, that is illegal to take a deer in LA with a spear. Seems like he had the deer taken away from him. Been many years ago so memory is a little fuzzy. I take it you heard about the 218 B&C non-typical Louisiana buck that a young lady killed this past fall? The buck had made his escape from a high-fence "ranch" and then walked past her stand. How lucky is that ?!!!!! Yes I did hear about that. If I read it correctly, if someone shoots a deer like that here one has to pay restitution for the deer. I am not sure how one can tell it was a high fence deer though when they shoot it. Looks like the land owner would be responsible for his own deer getting loose. In this case, the owner of the high fence knew the family of the girl that shot it so he did not demand restitution which would have cost about 10k if I remember correctly. It was a recognizable buck and became a legal deer under the State's authority when it escaped the enclosure. She killed it legally and no restitution is mandanted in that case. One would think that it could be taken legally, but according to the article I have linked to the story that isn't so. Just as Rock Chuck states below, the deer had a tag mandated by law. I couldn't remember the exact circumstances, but apparently it was a tagged deer. What makes me wonder about it is the fact that they had so many trail cam pics of it I would think they could have seen the tag in at least one of the pics. LA woman kills escaped deer
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What evidence would they have that he used a 204?
You have a right to remain silent and get a lawyer. Do not do an interview until you get legal advice.
He probably only hung himself in the interview after filling out an application form for a big buck contest. Very stupid mistake! (after using an illegal weapon).
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I would be interested to know what evidence they have to substantiae the crime in this case. A confession alone is not enough to uphold a confession, there must me some extrinsic substantiation. Unless there is a third party witness, or some phyiscal evidence of the caliber....he may need to fight this one out, and if he does they may have a hard time convicting. no, actually, a confession will do just fine. He admitted the fact of the violation, apparently. If he gets on the stand and denies it, says it was a mistake, or whatever....it's a jury question whether he was lying when he confessed or when he denied it. that said, it seems a massively disproportionate response to an error of .016 inch in bullet diameter. if he'd killed it with a .25-20, no problemo.
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ruin a mans life over using the wrong caliber on a animal.stupity at its finest
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I agree. The law is the law! Laws are made for a reason. And he broke it. Period. If he didn't know the law, HE SHOULD OF. And that's his fault. We shouldn't defend law breakers.
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I would be interested to know what evidence they have to substantiae the crime in this case. A confession alone is not enough to uphold a confession, there must me some extrinsic substantiation. Unless there is a third party witness, or some phyiscal evidence of the caliber....he may need to fight this one out, and if he does they may have a hard time convicting. no, actually, a confession will do just fine. He admitted the fact of the violation, apparently. If he gets on the stand and denies it, says it was a mistake, or whatever....it's a jury question whether he was lying when he confessed or when he denied it. that said, it seems a massively disproportionate response to an error of .016 inch in bullet diameter. if he'd killed it with a .25-20, no problemo. I am sorry, but you are wrong. The legal principle is called Corpus Delecti. The defendent need not take the stand at his trial, and without independent corroborating evidence that a crime has been committed, his out of court confession is insufficient to establish a prima facie case.
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I agree. The law is the law! Laws are made for a reason. And he broke it. Period. If he didn't know the law, HE SHOULD OF. And that's his fault. We shouldn't defend law breakers. whats the difference between him using the wrong caliber and you speeding? not wearing a seatbelt? not paying taxs on online purchases? I really get fed up with some of you hypocrites. He used bullet that someone decided was to small. OK fine him. you fkin guys would have him burned at the stake. somebody once said that Nothing of choice is ever made punishable unless those who do the prohibiting (and exact the fierce punishments) have a repressed desire to participate. As Shakespeare put it in King Lear "the policeman who lashes the whore has a hot need to use her for the very offense for which he plies the lash.�
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I agree. The law is the law! Laws are made for a reason. And he broke it. Period. If he didn't know the law, HE SHOULD OF. And that's his fault. We shouldn't defend law breakers. whats the difference between him using the wrong caliber and you speeding? not wearing a seatbelt? not paying taxs on online purchases? I really get fed up with some of you hypocrites. He used bullet that someone decided was to small. OK fine him. you fkin guys would have him burned at the stake. somebody once said that Nothing of choice is ever made punishable unless those who do the prohibiting (and exact the fierce punishments) have a repressed desire to participate. As Shakespeare put it in King Lear "the policeman who lashes the whore has a hot need to use her for the very offense for which he plies the lash.” Ok so what is wrong with shooting one day out of season? Where do you draw this line sir? Yes I speed and if cuaght I will pay the fine because that is what we as A people have set forth. Don't try to fade that line sir it gets very dim!
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whats the difference between him using the wrong caliber and you speeding? There's absolutely no difference what so ever. When I get caught I man up and pay. I don't speed, however, in an attempt to bag a trophy and carry off the winnings in several big buck contests.
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the punishment should fit the crime. Its just a little thing call justice. google it. Making someone a felon, taking away thier right to own firearms and vote. taking away thier livelyhood and dispariging thier character and reputation for using a bullet that was too small? FK YEAH!!! LETS GET HIM! ![[Linked Image]](http://westsoundmodern.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/the-angry-mob.png)
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RING WORM the name is starting to fit! It's the LAW try looking it up!!
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I'd take it to court, point out the actual POWER of the round vs other less powerful rounds and speak of the INTENT of the law vs the law.....
Ya know you still hear of folks spitting on sidewalks being illegal too...
Not to mention how many folks been killed with a 223, that its a non issue at all to me. And shouldn't be to fish and game either in reality.
[bleep] with wally world 06s bore sighted and never zero'd shooting at deer that run off(wounded or dying) and dont' even look for the deer because I musta missed because it didn't fall over are much more of an issue to me anyway.
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The felony charges were for 'contest fraud' not the killing of the deer.
LDWF agents cited Billy W. Jordan, 54, of Winnsboro for taking a deer with an illegal weapon and four felony counts of contest fraud, the agency reported. Maybe the third time is the charm. The FELONY counts are for contest fraud NOT the illegal weapon charge. The illegal weapon charge is NOT a felony and I suspect carries a pretty soft sentence.
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