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Don't believe in some fairy tale that people cuffed from behind can't run. I'll show you some hood rats who can do a six minute mile with their hands cuffed behind them. I watched some 10-12 year old boys in the hood playing one time. They were tying their hands behind them with rope and seeing who was the fastest running. 
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A lot of practice. 
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Question for LEO: What is the protocol for handcuffing? Is it discretionary between being cuffed in the front or back?
I think it depends on the agency and the officer. I have very short stubby arms. To handcuff me behind my back might require dislocating one or both shoulders. I've asked officers in my local what the protocol is for someone like me and most have said they would use two cuffs so as to not to have to dislocate my shoulders. That having been said there are some officers would enjoy the opportunity to hurt someone by doing just that. So again agency protocol and officer attitude would have a lot to do with how a person is handcuffed. What DD said. What others have said also. I have cuffed some in front who asked. It just depends. The vast majority of folks I arrested didn't get handcuffed at all, but I haven't worked the road since 04. Different time, different bunch of folks. The TASER operator in this clip didn't do anything wrong.
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Personally speaking I'd prefer to be tazed to shot. Don't think a LEO is obligated by law or policy to run after perps attempting to flee. Use of force, deadly or otherwise is a matter of statute and/or policy, so if the officer in this case violated none of those provisions, where's the beef with him? Double hit and run, drugged up....pooh, might be the young lady's first encounter with discipline.
I think if there is a beef, it is with statute or policy. If....
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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Several thoughts...
...sucks to be her
...hit and run is a felony, at least in Texas
...drugs in her system
...no different than being tackled and hitting the ground
...could have been a K9 on her ass
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Dumb Bit!! ran. No problem here.
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Dumb Bit!! ran. No problem here. Well, perhaps if she was being held for murder with several eye witnesses that might be a valid position, but what was she held for? For something she ingested into her own body?? Doesn't seem like death by Taser is the correct consequence for that. Perhaps cops should leave people alone who aren't actually victimizing anyone.
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Dink, would you have tased her if that was you? Hell Dink would have tazed her, shot her, and kicked the crap out of her for good measure. Yawn. Just because you could not cut it being a cop don't be jealous of those of us that can. Dink You are never going to convince the cop haters on this forum of anything rational. For whatever reason they have a persecution complex and no amount of fact and reason will ever change their warped way of thinking. I've been around law enforcement enough to know that it's a tough job and few of us have what it takes to do it. You have to be a social worker, marriage counsler, have the patience of a saint, be a mind reader, risk taker, willing to mix it up with some dudes that want to knock your head off, cut, or shoot you. Drive cars at high speeds to try and save lives or make an arrest on some very bad individuals. Through all this, you are supposed to never make a mistake, have every split second decision questioned by the general public who has all day long to come up with "would have, could have, should have" words of wisdom while they are sitting safe and secure behind a keyboard. To the law enforcement guys here on the Campfire, I salute you and pray for your safety. Thanks for all that you do.
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Him being out of shape isnt a valid excuse. If you cant do the job...then you have no business putting on the badge. I agree he should be in better shape, but... At 5'8", 150 lbs, and in great shape for my age, I could have caught her in three steps. In fact if I were an LEO, I doubt many runners could evade me. No fences high enough, no crawl spaces small enough. On the other hand, if she was a 6'3" man that decided to turn and fight, I'd be happy to wave to the officer in the video and say "You got this, right?" haha I'm just saying what might be a liability in one situation could be an asset in another. 44henry
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I'm of the opinion that if you get injured while fleeing the police, it's pretty much your fault. So, if the rational for arresting someone who is high on drugs and driving is that they are too impaired to drive, we expect them to make good decisions otherwise? Okay, we should just let them go then. They are too impaired to really mean anything they do that night. Besides, that kid in the crosswalk that got hit shouldn't have been out that late. That stuff that got stolen out of your car shouldn't have been there. Right.
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Out here in old Fort Worth, police just bought 300 new tasers, 5 second blast only.
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Punishing people is punishing work. Sometimes the police feel they need to punish someone. Easy with the Tazer.
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Question for LEO: What is the protocol for handcuffing? Is it discretionary between being cuffed in the front or back?
I think it depends on the agency and the officer. I have very short stubby arms. To handcuff me behind my back might require dislocating one or both shoulders. I've asked officers in my local what the protocol is for someone like me and most have said they would use two cuffs so as to not to have to dislocate my shoulders. That having been said there are some officers would enjoy the opportunity to hurt someone by doing just that. So again agency protocol and officer attitude would have a lot to do with how a person is handcuffed. Do the LEO's on here tell you how to scam people in your Tax Accounting? Why is it that someone who's never done the job in their entire life comes on here and makes statements to something they have zero firsthand experience in. In my experience it's John Q. Public's attitude, not the LEO's attitude as to how they're cuffed. I've cuffed people in front, i've cuffed people in front along with a waistchain. I've used two sets of cuffs, cuffed in the back. I've even used leg irons on people, all based on my experience & knowledge of the person involved. I cuff 99% with hands behind them, backs of your hands together, thumbs up. That along with my internal friend who goes out on the street with me every night and says, you probably need to put leg irons on this chump, because he'll run the first chance he gets. I saw the results of an old S.O employee in a neighboring county who had lost his street survival savvy. The fellow was in his late 60's, they had made him a Transport Deputy, which means he transported prisoners from jail to court, Med. Appts. other jails etc. In this case he was transporting a juvenile to a juvenile facility. The Deputy's heavy flashlight had for some how got into the back seat. The Deputy handcuffed the juvenile in the front. Long story short, the kid got the light, when the Deputy let the kid out the back the kid attacked the Deputy knocking him out and continued to beat him in the head. The kid was trying to get the Deputy's gun when he was taken into custody by juvenile detention personnel. The Deputy spent months in the hosp. recovering. I have been an LEO.
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I bet she ran her drugged up mouth in the station and "deserved" the tasing.
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time.
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Derby what year were you in law enforcement?
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Life is a bitch and stupid does hurt sometimes. Easy to avoid too, don't run.
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It looked like he could have just grabbed her? She's at least 2 arm lengths in front - that could be too much of a chase, that close to an Interstate Hwy. She stood a lot better chance with the Taser than with freeway traffic, and even more, than with the officer's sidearm. You roll the dice - you takes your chances! Mark
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She is now... (quote) "20-year-old Danielle Maudsley may never wake up again. Danielle was left brain dead after she was tasered by police and smacked her head on the ground."
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In the case of this girl, you can't fix stupid.
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Question for LEO: What is the protocol for handcuffing? Is it discretionary between being cuffed in the front or back?
I think it depends on the agency and the officer. I have very short stubby arms. To handcuff me behind my back might require dislocating one or both shoulders. I've asked officers in my local what the protocol is for someone like me and most have said they would use two cuffs so as to not to have to dislocate my shoulders. That having been said there are some officers would enjoy the opportunity to hurt someone by doing just that. So again agency protocol and officer attitude would have a lot to do with how a person is handcuffed. Do the LEO's on here tell you how to scam people in your Tax Accounting? Why is it that someone who's never done the job in their entire life comes on here and makes statements to something they have zero firsthand experience in. In my experience it's John Q. Public's attitude, not the LEO's attitude as to how they're cuffed. I've cuffed people in front, i've cuffed people in front along with a waistchain. I've used two sets of cuffs, cuffed in the back. I've even used leg irons on people, all based on my experience & knowledge of the person involved. I cuff 99% with hands behind them, backs of your hands together, thumbs up. That along with my internal friend who goes out on the street with me every night and says, you probably need to put leg irons on this chump, because he'll run the first chance he gets. I saw the results of an old S.O employee in a neighboring county who had lost his street survival savvy. The fellow was in his late 60's, they had made him a Transport Deputy, which means he transported prisoners from jail to court, Med. Appts. other jails etc. In this case he was transporting a juvenile to a juvenile facility. The Deputy's heavy flashlight had for some how got into the back seat. The Deputy handcuffed the juvenile in the front. Long story short, the kid got the light, when the Deputy let the kid out the back the kid attacked the Deputy knocking him out and continued to beat him in the head. The kid was trying to get the Deputy's gun when he was taken into custody by juvenile detention personnel. The Deputy spent months in the hosp. recovering. I have been an LEO. How many years ago? It's interesting that those who started in the 70's I see them getting hurt more due to their failure to react to a situation. They seem to be behind the power curve, in situations where action is needed versus dialog, Tyrone, Bubba & Julio, aren't into dialog.
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