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get your: wife son best friend GF BF
to fill out the 4473 for you! ...and then post THAT on the internet.
The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.
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Just like SSS'n wolves, most dudes have a problem with the third.
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There is a mechanic from this area sitting in a federal pen, as I type this, because his wife posted a pic on facebook of them out hunting and he was holding a firearm.
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Uh huh.
I absolutely agree that a Misdemeanor conviction should never preclude a man or woman from owning a firearm.
I also have a bit of trouble with the wide and encompassing domestice violence laws that are currently on the books.
It ain't all that hard to find yourself in court over a domestic violence charge these days. If you happen to find yourself convicted of said misdemeanor, you will suffer felonious repercussions.
One other item that interests me is the question on the 4473 that asks if you have ever been adjudicated mentally defective.
Recently, I had a man come in the shop to buy a handgun, and he asked if he could do so, because he was receiving a Military Disability for some kind of Mental Issue.
I have no idea.
"The number one problem with America is, a whole lot of people need shot, and nobody is shooting them." -Master Chief Hershel Davis
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One other item that interests me is the question on the 4473 that asks if you have ever been adjudicated mentally defective.
Recently, I had a man come in the shop to buy a handgun, and he asked if he could do so, because he was receiving a Military Disability for some kind of Mental Issue.
I have no idea. "Adjudicated" as per your question means committed to mental care by a Magistrate for reasons other than "observation" or diagnosis. In other words, imprisoned as a nut. (As interpreted by the US Attorney's office.)
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The key word there is "adjudicated," and there is no way to tell that based upon what he said. It usually means a contested procedure, but I have no clue whether administrative proceedings (if there were any) dealing with disability could constitute adjudication.
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I absolutely agree that a Misdemeanor conviction should never preclude a man or woman from owning a firearm.
I also have a bit of trouble with the wide and encompassing domestice violence laws that are currently on the books. Check out the city of Lincoln Ne statutes on weapons. Hey Pat, the police in Lincoln are exempt from the city's regulations. http://lincoln.ne.gov/city/attorn/lmc/ti09/ch936.pdf9.36.100 Unlawful Possession of Firearms. (a) It shall be unlawful for any person to possess any firearm within the corporate limits or on any property of the City of Lincoln outside the corporate limits when that person has been convicted of any one of the following offenses within the last ten years: Stalking in violation of Neb. Rev. Stat. � 28-311.03 or any other comparable or similar state statute from another state; Violation of a protection order as set forth in Neb. Rev. Stat. � 42-924 or Violation of a foreign protection order as set forth in Neb. Rev. Stat. � 42-931; False imprisonment in the second degree in violation of Neb. Rev. Stat. � 28-315; Sexual assault in the third degree in violation of Neb. Rev. Stat. � 28-320; Impersonating a peace officer in violation of Neb. Rev. Stat. � 28-610; or, Impersonating police officer in violation of Lincoln Municipal Code � 9.08.060; Debauching a Minor in violation of Neb. Rev. Stat. � 28-805; Obstructing government operations in violation of Neb. Rev. Stat. � 28-901; Resisting arrest in violation of Neb. Rev. Stat. � 28-904; Resisting officer in violation of Lincoln Municipal Code � 9.08.030; Obstructing a peace officer in violation of Neb. Rev. Stat. � 28-906; Interfering with an officer making an arrest in violation of Lincoln Municipal Code � 9.08.020; Carrying concealed weapon in violation of Neb. Rev. Stat. � 28-1202; Criminal child enticement in violation of Neb. Rev. Stat. � 28-311; Implements for escape in violation of Neb. Rev. Stat. � 28-913; Unlawful possession of explosives, second degree in violation of Neb. Rev. Stat. � 28-1216; Use of explosives without a permit in violation of Neb. Rev. Stat. � 28-1218; Concealing the death of another person in violation of Neb. Rev. Stat. � 28-1302; Minors not to be furnished with firearms, ammunition, or weapons in violation of Lincoln Municipal Code � 9.36.020; Discharge of firearms unlawful in violation of Lincoln Municipal Code � 9.36.010; Assault in the third degree in violation of Neb. Rev. Stat. � 28-310; Assault and battery, menacing threats in violation of Lincoln Municipal Code �9.12.010; Unlawful intrusion in violation of Neb. Rev. Stat. � 28-311.08; Violation of custody in violation of Neb. Rev. Stat. � 28-316; Domestic assault in violation of Neb. Rev. Stat. � 28-323; Criminal trespass in the first degree in violation of Neb. Rev. Stat. � 28-520; Contributing to the delinquency of a child in violation of Neb. Rev. Stat. � 28-709; Public indecency in violation of Neb. Rev. Stat. � 28-806; Public indecency or indecent exposure in violation of Lincoln Municipal Code � 9.16.180; Operating a motor vehicle or vessel to avoid arrest in violation of Neb. Rev. Stat. � 28-905; Fleeing in a vehicle to avoid arrest in violation of Lincoln Municipal Code � 10.14.280; any violation of the Uniform Controlled Substances Act as set forth in Neb. Rev. Stat. �� 28-401 to 28-456.01; Toxic compounds, unlawful use in violation of Lincoln Municipal Code �9.16.110; Criminal attempt in violation of Neb. Rev. Stat. � 28-201 for any of the state crimes set forth in this subsection (a).
(b) It shall be unlawful for any person to possess any firearm within the corporate limits or on any property of the City of Lincoln outside the corporate limits when that person has been convicted of two or more of the following offenses within the last ten years: Driving under the influence of alcoholic liquor or drugs in violation of Neb. Rev. Stat. � 60-6,196; Driving under the influence of alcoholic liquor or drugs in violation of Lincoln Municipal Code � 10.16.030; Implied consent to submit to chemical test, refusal in violation of Neb. Rev. Stat. � 60-6-197; Chemical test, refusal in violation of Lincoln Municipal Code �10.16.040; or any conviction under a law of another state or municipality if at the time of the conviction under said law the offence for which the person was convicted would have been a violation of Neb. Rev. Stat. �� 60-6,196 or 60-6,197.
(c) The provisions of this section shall not apply to (1) the issuance of firearms or the possession by members of the Armed Forces of the United States, active or reserve, the National Guard of this state, or Reserve Officers Training Corps, when on duty or training; or (2) a peace officer as defined by Neb. Rev. Stat. � 28-109(14). (Ord. 19060 �1; March 24, 2008: prior Ord. 18793 �1; August 21, 2006: Ord. 18158 �1; April 7, 2003).
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence". John Adams
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No State can exempt anybody from Federal laws. What they are talking about is an exemption concerning the State laws of carrying a weapon.
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I have a friend who had the same problem. He got a lawyer, and had the governor grant a pardon to expunge his records. It can be done, but good luck if you have a Democratic governor.
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One other item that interests me is the question on the 4473 that asks if you have ever been adjudicated mentally defective.
Recently, I had a man come in the shop to buy a handgun, and he asked if he could do so, because he was receiving a Military Disability for some kind of Mental Issue.
I have no idea. "Adjudicated" as per your question means committed to mental care by a Magistrate for reasons other than "observation" or diagnosis. In other words, imprisoned as a nut. (As interpreted by the US Attorney's office.) It would seem then, that a Doctor granting some kind of prognosis would not rise to the level of "adjudication". That does make sense.
"The number one problem with America is, a whole lot of people need shot, and nobody is shooting them." -Master Chief Hershel Davis
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Moral of the story: Do not get married, do not have children, never, but never have an intimate or dating relationship with anyone. When you get horney, use a prostitute, your not paying for the sex, your paying for them to leave afterward.
Just joshing, turn off the flamethrowers. Big + 1 and I am not "joshing". Trvis Word. P.S. did you change your name? Sometimes I slur my words when I type as well. Thanks for noticing and GFY. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Sometimes I slur my words when I type as well.
Thanks for noticing and GFY.
Travis
At 8 am on a Weds.? Awesome. Big head start for Weds. nite for you. P.S. I'll catch up.
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Got a friend in from Chicago. The force is strong with this one. Could be an interesting Wednesday. I'm think The Palace and the Eagles.
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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Uh-oh. Me thinks you sound like you got the game face on. Schit is about to hit the fan in town.
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How can you find out if your conviction included domestic violence?
Does domestic violence have to be spelled out and a part of the judge's decision, in writing?
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Yep, looks as though you are hosed. Read through this page though to make sure: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/misdemeanor-domestic-violence.htmlCouple possible avenues: 1) Get hold of Alan Gura (of Heller fame) and see if he wants to take this up, there's a couple of other similar cases that have been heard but he didn't argue them. If your domestic violence conviction included either using or threatening with a weapon I doubt he'd touch it. 2) Get hold of your congressional guys and ask for an amendment to the law which puts a timeline on the ban in cases of domestic violence convictions not involving a weapon.
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Lt - you are welcome sir - Texas is the finest colony us Tennesseans ever started!
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Talked in real time with my attorney yesterday. Gov Scott Walker Rep has closed down the pardon department for now in WI. Also one of the few laws that goes retro active for past convictions.
Thanks, Bob Too many calibers and not enough time for the working man to hunt with them all.
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get a different attorney. stop posting about it.
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Loco, the attorney was recommended by the NRA.
Thanks, Bob Too many calibers and not enough time for the working man to hunt with them all.
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