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Here in NJ we ride quads in the upper NW part of the state and the local cops just waive to us when they see us, even when we have to cross a road or two. Not just because they know we are "OTJ", they just don't bother guys out just having fun on a Sunday morning. Now the game wardens are a different story. Pretty much known if you get stopped by one of them, you'll get a ticket. Moral of that story is if we ever stop one of them, we extend them the same courtesy.

If there is anyone around jealous of the hours the calls the dickheads the pay the domestics the drunks the crashes the midnight calls the informing someone of the death of a relative hey, I will give up my apparently most coveted job in a heartbeat...The only problem is I can't think of many other things I would rather do...

for the average police you run into at the quickie mart or burger king and just strike up a conversation, I have no problem engaging in friendly banter.

But if a policeman comes to me to discuss a pontential situation that he may view me as a offender, I'm not talking to him at all.
From sitting on the grand jury, I've learned enough that those that talk end up in jail that night. 90% of the cases that made it to the grand jury were because the defendant incriminated himself in some way by cooperating with police.

Maybe you can explain how innocent people incriminate themselves.

Sure they are. We get to do what everyone wants to watch on the news. Cops know things about people, families and businesses that people wish they could hide. Cops know which doctors, lawyers, business men beat their wives, have kids that are dopers, that have stolen things, touch children, etc. These people may have enough money to keep/get them out of trouble but the truth is still known by the guys that worked it. A lot of deep dark secrets are known.

We also get to drive fast.

I have never met a plumber or mechanic that knew anything other than gossip.

Dink

I'm just relaying that I know once a policeman thinks you did it, its a bad idea to try to talk your way out of it.

He has a job to do, don't make it easier on him or harder on yourself.

Bottom line is if a policeman is talking to you about a crime, he isn't there to prove you're innocent.

I can only speak from personal experience and that is if someone I'm questioning just clams up right out of the gate, they are hiding something and it just peaks my curiosity even further. The exceptions to this guideline are folks like Barak of course. It is certainly your right to remain silent.

Anyone that can work with their hands gets my admiration. All I can do is shoot straight, and there ain't much of a peace time demand for that anymore.

Correct. He may just be looking for the truth, and if the truth is that you're innocent, then he has one less suspect. Fact is, by the time I had a suspect in custody, getting him to "spill the beans" was really unimportant. There was already enough evidence to convict without the statement. The statement is really just icing on the cake, and lends itself to more guilty pleas in court.

Flip side is these guys who typically post here about how they behave when in the presence of LEO's, are really FOS.

You have no idea why he didn't stop.

dammit wild that was funny!

But you already did that when you got hired and had to "make your bones". Hawkeye said we all go through that.

"Make your bones"...?

Easy? Yes. Simple? Heck yes. Dangerous? Absolutely. Helpful? Never.

Stupid? Might depend on whether you've seen this or not. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

Isn't most of that public record?

Oh yah, hawkeye said rookies have to prove themselves trustworthy to the old guys by killing somone.

Of course. But now, you see how the question of whether you're a dirty cop or not doesn't even come up? If I talk to you, you have a choice of whether to act on what I say in bad faith or not. (Remember, folks, it's perfectly legal for cops to tell you barefaced lies, on video, about everything from one end to the other if they think it might get you to incriminate yourself. It's only illegal for you to lie to them.)

But if I don't talk to you, then it doesn't matter whether you're a dirty cop or not: you can't act on what I say in bad faith, because I haven't said anything.

Is that guy high on coke ? Reason I asked is bc of how fast he talks. Ok, so I watched the first 10 min. approx and what I'm sensing is if you're guilty shut your yap....And that's good advise. Has nothing to do with this topic.

By killing someone, or just by displaying a level of corruption consistent with the norm for the precinct (which, in a few extreme cases, I suppose, might involve killing someone)?