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Oh yah, hawkeye said rookies have to prove themselves trustworthy to the old guys by killing somone.

Is that guy high on coke ? Reason I asked is bc of how fast he talks. Ok, so I watched the first 10 min. approx and what I'm sensing is if you're guilty shut your yap....And that's good advise. Has nothing to do with this topic.

Of course. But now, you see how the question of whether you're a dirty cop or not doesn't even come up? If I talk to you, you have a choice of whether to act on what I say in bad faith or not. (Remember, folks, it's perfectly legal for cops to tell you barefaced lies, on video, about everything from one end to the other if they think it might get you to incriminate yourself. It's only illegal for you to lie to them.)

But if I don't talk to you, then it doesn't matter whether you're a dirty cop or not: you can't act on what I say in bad faith, because I haven't said anything.

I think I already said, in your case you'd be better off exercising silence. Best case scenario for you would likely result in an involuntary 48 hour observation.

I'll know not to waste my time with you in the future.

Of course. But now, you see how the question of whether you're a dirty cop or not doesn't even come up? If I talk to you, you have a choice of whether to act on what I say in bad faith or not. (Remember, folks, it's perfectly legal for cops to tell you barefaced lies, on video, about everything from one end to the other if they think it might get you to incriminate yourself. It's only illegal for you to lie to them.)

But if I don't talk to you, then it doesn't matter whether you're a dirty cop or not: you can't act on what I say in bad faith, because I haven't said anything.

Point I was attempting to make with Barak was, if you haven't done anything wrong, then it should be extremely easy to engage in civil communication. Really simple. His his case, or people who have similar issues, they would be much better served to keep their yap shut.

for the average police you run into at the quickie mart or burger king and just strike up a conversation, I have no problem engaging in friendly banter.

But if a policeman comes to me to discuss a pontential situation that he may view me as a offender, I'm not talking to him at all.
From sitting on the grand jury, I've learned enough that those that talk end up in jail that night. 90% of the cases that made it to the grand jury were because the defendant incriminated himself in some way by cooperating with police.

Maybe you can explain how innocent people incriminate themselves.

I can only speak from personal experience and that is if someone I'm questioning just clams up right out of the gate, they are hiding something

You have no idea why he didn't stop.

"Make your bones"...?

Oh yah, hawkeye said rookies have to prove themselves trustworthy to the old guys by killing somone.

Bloody hell......count me in too, please, oh please ignore me too!!!!!

I wasn't speaking of using the ignore feature....

He outran her, huh? Whoopdee doo. Someone like that'd have to practically want to get caught in those conditions, knowing the area as he seemed to. He did almost lose it on that one jump in someone's yard, I noticed, but it looked like to me that he knew from jump he'd not get caught--by her, anyway.

Back in the bad old days, we'd flee from John E. Law on a like, weekly basis. Not for anything truly criminal, but they frowned heavily on kids in the city gathering and drinking and, well, y'know, being wise-asses. Since none of us wanted to get cuffed, stuffed and roughed--or even worse, brought home to your old man--when they came, we'd bolt every single time.

A few of the chases we led them on in cars and on foot, with us always on foot, were the stuff legends were made of. Some epic fails in there too. For most of the mob I ran with, rare was the day someone would actually get pinched.

But then, you know and area well, with rooftops, alleys, apartment complex basements, subway tunnels, fences, tracks and backyards... Unless you're too damned drunk to run, or have a really speedy, or determined cop (or both!), the runners always had the upper hand in the inner city. By far.

Not proud of wasting their time, or making a bloody nuisance--and then some-- of ourselves, but hey, that was then, and I've grown up a bit since then. Now I just occasionally pour booze in my eyes to self-punish. I think.

That just shows you can't fix stupid. If people continue to be ticketed/arrested why shouldn't the state/muni keep taking their money? If they don't take it someone else will.

The cops vs citizen mentality is driven by civilians. People are jealous of police. Being a cop is one of the very few jobs that you can be fired for something you do own your time even if it's not illegal but people insist we are treated if we are above the law.

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