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If it's something like a traffic stop I see no reason to be silent. Also, I'm always told the reason they pulled me over was speeding and by how much without me asking. I then tell them the truth; either I wasn't paying attention or I was in a hurry to get to work. I haven't been written a ticket in years.

However, if I was being questioned about something serious I would not volunteer any information without an attorney being present.



Exactly.


To a point. When they ask me what the speed limit is and I know I tell them, when they ask me how fast I was going I make sure they realize I don't know... I don't generally speed purposely. At least not for the last 15 yrs or so...

If, however, they do their fishing thing I just keep answering the last relevant question, though I'll admit I haven't had them do that much.

Honestly, I have to take this opportunity to say that the Michigan State Police are fantastically professional and I've never had any issues with them, even back when I did have run-ins with the police on a less than rare occasion. More local forces where any Barney Fife can get a job, well... a whole lotta dinks in those...

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For example, I attempted to make contact with a young lady last night. My new guy has her cold on a fairly serious DV charge. Based on the information available right now, my guy should be burning warrants. If she speaks to us and tells me what I think she's going to, I can justify going to my boss (and the CA's office) and possibly argue against arrest. If she wants to avoid me and/or "not speak to the police"........

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So I'm curious. Sounds like an interesting story, but much of it is over my head. Who's your "new guy?" What's DV? What does "burning warrants" mean? Who's the CA?


My "new guy" is my guy with about a year on the road. DV is Domestic Violence and the CA is County Attorney. I probably should have said "completing" warrants, but I was typing quickly.

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Yes, but you're not a mere mortal. You're an angelic being in a policeman's uniform, merely taking the apparent form of flesh and blood. Most cops are mere mortals, subject to normal human frailties in the context of power.


Your attempt at being smug amuses me, but it's pointless. The fact is, I'm representative of the vast majority of LEOs in my AO. I know that must stick in your craw, but it's the simple truth.

Experience backs up my words, but I know that's a concept you're not familiar with. It's much easier, and safer, to eperience academic masturbation from the safety of your living room/office/classroom.

Damn that real world.....

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Originally Posted by NH K9
My "new guy" is my guy with about a year on the road. DV is Domestic Violence and the CA is County Attorney. I probably should have said "completing" warrants, but I was typing quickly.

George

Thanks for the clarification.

It's difficult for me to come to grips with the concept of a cop who looks for reasons not to make an arrest. I'm not sure I even understand it theoretically.

It'd be like me trying to keep perfectly good software out of production. I can't imagine what would motivate me to try something like that, but if I did and a client found out, I'd be gone by the end of the day.

It'd be taking my client's money to work for their competitors.


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Yes, but you're not a mere mortal. You're an angelic being in a policeman's uniform, merely taking the apparent form of flesh and blood. Most cops are mere mortals, subject to normal human frailties in the context of power.


Your attempt at being smug amuses me, but it's pointless. The fact is, I'm representative of the vast majority of LEOs in my AO. I know that must stick in your craw, but it's the simple truth.

Experience backs up my words, but I know that's a concept you're not familiar with. It's much easier, and safer, to eperience academic masturbation from the safety of your living room/office/classroom.

Damn that real world.....

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You know not of what you speak regarding my level of experience. I could tell you some stories.

Furthermore, as to the rest, Serpico is a true story, not fiction. The man himself insists that the corruption was worse and more universal than depicted in the movie, and it is his judgment that it goes with the institution of police departments rather than being something limited to New York City during a particular period of time.

Makes sense. Human beings in New York City, after all, aren't made from a different sort of matter than are human beings from other states and cities. Nor has the nature of man changed in that period of time.

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Originally Posted by Barak
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My "new guy" is my guy with about a year on the road. DV is Domestic Violence and the CA is County Attorney. I probably should have said "completing" warrants, but I was typing quickly.

George

Thanks for the clarification.

It's difficult for me to come to grips with the concept of a cop who looks for reasons not to make an arrest. I'm not sure I even understand it theoretically.

It'd be like me trying to keep perfectly good software out of production. I can't imagine what would motivate me to try something like that, but if I did and a client found out, I'd be gone by the end of the day.

It'd be taking my client's money to work for their competitors.
Well said. It just doesn't make sense. And what doesn't make sense is, generally speaking, not true.

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would you keep software out of production that had the potential to cause harm to unsuspecting people .


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Originally Posted by Barak
Originally Posted by NH K9
My "new guy" is my guy with about a year on the road. DV is Domestic Violence and the CA is County Attorney. I probably should have said "completing" warrants, but I was typing quickly.

George

Thanks for the clarification.

It's difficult for me to come to grips with the concept of a cop who looks for reasons not to make an arrest. I'm not sure I even understand it theoretically.

It'd be like me trying to keep perfectly good software out of production. I can't imagine what would motivate me to try something like that, but if I did and a client found out, I'd be gone by the end of the day.

It'd be taking my client's money to work for their competitors.


Actually my friend, the prime directive in LE has been and hopefully will always be CRIME PREVENTION Via deterrence rather than "busting the bad guys and harassing the public" I had hoped I had projected that concept in many of my prior posts on the subject. That is why we were originally called Peace Officers, we were tasked with keeping the peace and bringing miscreants before the bar of justice. We DO NOT prosecute law breakers, we simply are charged with bringing them to be judged by their peers.


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You know not of what you speak regarding my level of experience. I could tell you some stories.


Like what?

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I could tell you some stories.


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would you keep software out of production that had the potential to cause harm to unsuspecting people .

Such software would not qualify as "perfectly good."


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Actually my friend, the prime directive in LE has been and hopefully will always be CRIME PREVENTION Via deterrence rather than "busting the bad guys and harassing the public" I had hoped I had projected that concept in many of my prior posts on the subject. That is why we were originally called Peace Officers, we were tasked with keeping the peace and bringing miscreants before the bar of justice.

I'm old enough to remember when that was the case; but even you have commented that it is less and less so as time goes on. These days, there are gangs of cops who bust into the homes of innocent people in the middle of the night and murder them.


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As a one time owner of a highly modified Banshee - I'm surprised the cop kept up as well as she did.

I've ridden a lot of things with engines and that Banshee was the only one I was really scared about. It would pull the front tires off the ground as you shifted every gear. Even 6.


You oughta ride a 700 Raptor. Holly cow !!!!!!!!!


Although raptor 700's are bad ass, they don't hold a candle to a banshee with after market parts

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I've only ridden a bone stock Banshee and it was a hoot. No torque though, but when it "came on" it was snappy.

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Still not near as bad as folks try to paint it, I know an awful lot of good cops that do the job right. For every bad one there is HUNDREDS of the good ones going to work every day and still "keeping the peace".

And most of the bad ones seem to work for the feds IMHO, but even then there are a bunch of good ones there as well.


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You know not of what you speak regarding my level of experience. I could tell you some stories


Really, regale us with some stories of your experience policing. How many field contacts do you have, warrants completed, arrests? This is your chance to prove I know nothing about your LE experience. I know, you could have.......

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Makes sense. Human beings in New York City, after all, aren't made from a different sort of matter than are human beings from other states and cities. Nor has the nature of man changed in that period of time.


I've spent enough time in NY, LA, NO, Schitcago, Baltimore, DC, etc. to know that there is a fundamental difference in "those folks" and the folks in NH in regards to attitude/social mores/ideals/etc. LEOs are, generally, drawn from the population in a given area. Thus, there are tremendous differences between an LEO in NH, NY, NJ, TX, etc. I realize that doesn't fit your agenda, but it's basic truth.

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Well said. It just doesn't make sense. And what doesn't make sense is, generally speaking, not true.


The fact that it doesn't make sense to you doesn't surprise me. Your agenda and urban lifestyle won't allow you to accept the reality of the situation. Your loss....

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You know not of what you speak regarding my level of experience. I could tell you some stories


Really, regale us with some stories of your experience policing. How many field contacts do you have, warrants completed, arrests?
You trickster, you. Narrowing it down to policing, now, are you? Isn't that called the old switcheroo? Pretty sad you have to resort to kids' stuff.

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Originally Posted by NH K9

I've spent enough time in NY, LA, NO, Schitcago, Baltimore, DC, etc. to know that there is a fundamental difference in "those folks" and the folks in NH in regards to attitude/social mores/ideals/etc. LEOs are, generally, drawn from the population in a given area. Thus, there are tremendous differences between an LEO in NH, NY, NJ, TX, etc. I realize that doesn't fit your agenda, but it's basic truth.
Awe, but human nature's the same everywhere, old buddy.

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You know not of what you speak regarding my level of experience. I could tell you some stories


Really, regale us with some stories of your experience policing. How many field contacts do you have, warrants completed, arrests?
You trickster, you. Narrowing it down to policing, now, are you? Isn't that called the old switcheroo? Pretty sad you have to resort to kids stuff.


Nice deflection, but all too typical. Your original post, which I quoted, spoke to police officers. My respnse was that I was the norm in regards to policing in my AO and that actual experience backed my opinions. The entire discussion was in regards to policing. Your reply; "You know not of what you speak regarding my level of experience. I could tell you some stories." implies, on its face, that you have experience in said field.

Clearly, I'm pulling "the old switcheroo" whistle .

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Awe, but human nature's the same everywhere, old buddy.


You are correct....those riding the pine will always think they know what the players should do. They will even think that their opinions matter to those in a significantly different geographic/cultural location. Of course, if you pay taxes in NH I might reconsider listening a bit more....

George

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