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My friend, my brother and I used them in the 80's and very early 90's. Some very spectacular blowups and lack of penetration on Alberta deer, one even at long range. I have never been able to trust them since. But given MD tedimony about how the lead hardness and jacket thickness has cahnged so drastically, I may have to reconsider in some circumstances.
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A question for those who believe that energy kills... Where did all that energy go? In what way was all that energy transfered to the deer that it did not even break the scapula,lessover kill it?
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I tell ya,when that bullet hit the shoulder,he went in a straight up jump that would have made Roy Roger's horse Trigger jealous!
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As Bob Hagel would say"You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong."Good words of wisdom...............
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No offense, but how 'bout let's stick with thoughts on the BT's made in this century if you don't mind. I'm well aware of how the BT's performed when they first came out, and I didn't care for them much either, but..........that was 30 freakin' years ago and lots has changed ! 
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Swiped this from the "innerweb". ![[Linked Image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/junfan/Shooting/120bt150bt140ab168bt180bt.jpg) L-R, 120 gr BT, 150 gr BT, 140 gr Accubond, .308" 168 gr, and .308" 180 gr From the looks of hte cut-away photos, they got the 150 gr. weight by using more lead and less jacket. Well, they made it longer.
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I used plenty of the old BT 7MM 140`s on Deer,Antelope.Never lost one or had to shoot twice.
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No offense, but how 'bout let's stick with thoughts on the BT's made in this century if you don't mind. I'm well aware of how the BT's performed when they first came out, and I didn't care for them much either, but..........that was 30 freakin' years ago and lots has changed ! Thx JG! Dober
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Dober
Wasn't worried about stuff dieing of BT poisoning but was wondering about blast holes. I have been shooting the BTs awhile too and I don't think I have found one yet. But had a surface blast hole with my 250 3000 last year but that was with a 100 bt @ maybe 20 feel and it still went in to the dirt. Ack-by surface blast do you mean you had what I call a "splash back" and yet the bullet continued on with penetration? Thx Dober
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Ack-by surface blast do you mean you had what I call a "splash back" and yet the bullet continued on with penetration?
I am curious about this as well. Whenever these NBT threads come up it seems the terms: surface wound, splash wound, blow-up, etc. get used quite often. I've shot a lot of NBTs into animals, and I've never seen one 'blow-up' on the surface or 'splash on the shoulder/ribcage'..... not even 6mm/55s at 4100+, they typically exited coyote size critters... and a couple of does.
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I can vouch for the "tender" characteristic of the first BTs. Shot both 130s and 150s from my 270 featherweight into deerses back in the '80s and never had an exit.
It was kinda' like shooting them with plastic tipped potatochips........pronghorns, deer, elk......didn't matter..... Casey
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Having said that, MAGA.
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Mark,
I've seen what many would call "splash-back" with a 140-grain TSX from a .270 on a coyote. Entrance hole (right behind shoulder) was 2-3" across. But the bullet did exit!
In my experience splash-back depends almost as much on what the bullet hits as the bullet. In this instance it hit soft tissue initially, but hit a rib after that. Maybe a piece of rib "splashed back"....
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Ack-by surface blast do you mean you had what I call a "splash back" and yet the bullet continued on with penetration?
I am curious about this as well. Whenever these NBT threads come up it seems the terms: surface wound, splash wound, blow-up, etc. get used quite often. I've shot a lot of NBTs into animals, and I've never seen one 'blow-up' on the surface or 'splash on the shoulder/ribcage'..... not even 6mm/55s at 4100+, they typically exited coyote size critters... and a couple of does. I have indeed witnessed the effect of "Splash-back" with a Ballistic Tip made in this century. I've posted this before so forgive. The killing involved a poor little doe whitetail maybe 110lbs or so (victim) and a roughneck heathen white boy (assassin) accustomed to hunting in the coastal jungle of South Carolina where "if they got out of the food plot shot they were probably lost". So he was up in the Piedmont area hunting with my then club with his drop-em-now rifle; a .340 Weatherby Mag with factory loaded Ballistic Tips. Seems he said they were 200gr but not sure. At 20 yds or so the bullet made an entry wound approximately the size of a small dinner plate but the exit was only about the size of a saucer. Deer still almost made it out of the greenfield but how I'll never know.
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I too have seen some gnarly entrance wounds via NBT... but all were accompanied by exit wounds and fur in the dirt.
You better pray to the God of Skinny Punks that this wind doesn't pick up......
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What I've seen that I would call a splash back I've normally seen on yotes. From a round that was sort of hyper (22/250, 6/06 you know) and pretty much on two different angles.
Angle one, a yote comes in and is taken quartering to me.
Angle two, a yote comes in and I take him head on, thus hitting what I call the breast bone.
Holes can be wide and narly looking, bullets go on thru and the yote hits the turf absolutely right now!
Dober
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One thing I don't like about NBT's made in this century is the mess they leave behind.
For some it's not an issue, but I hate throwing away front shoulders. Seems like a waste to me.
For predators they're fine. On big game, they're other choices that don't do as much unneccesary damage.
YMMV
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Ack-by surface blast do you mean you had what I call a "splash back" and yet the bullet continued on with penetration?
I am curious about this as well. Whenever these NBT threads come up it seems the terms: surface wound, splash wound, blow-up, etc. get used quite often. I've shot a lot of NBTs into animals, and I've never seen one 'blow-up' on the surface or 'splash on the shoulder/ribcage'..... not even 6mm/55s at 4100+, they typically exited coyote size critters... and a couple of does. I have indeed witnessed the effect of "Splash-back" with a Ballistic Tip made in this century. I've posted this before so forgive. The killing involved a poor little doe whitetail maybe 110lbs or so (victim) and a roughneck heathen white boy (assassin) accustomed to hunting in the coastal jungle of South Carolina where "if they got out of the food plot shot they were probably lost". So he was up in the Piedmont area hunting with my then club with his drop-em-now rifle; a .340 Weatherby Mag with factory loaded Ballistic Tips. Seems he said they were 200gr but not sure. At 20 yds or so the bullet made an entry wound approximately the size of a small dinner plate but the exit was only about the size of a saucer. Deer still almost made it out of the greenfield but how I'll never know. Cut the barrel on that puppy down to 18" and what a brush rifle you would have. 
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Who the [bleep] would use a 340 Roy for shooting deer in SC? Truly amazing, I'd rather hit them with a 223AI.
I guess lots of folks still buy into the the 'foot pounds' [bleep].
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Who the [bleep] would use a 340 Roy for shooting deer in SC? Truly amazing, I'd rather hit them with a 223AI.
I guess lots of folks still buy into the the 'foot pounds' [bleep]. No joke! People kill me....! You'll see bigger rifles back east from deer hunters than what you'll find out west. The 7 rem mag and 300 win being most popular...then I can think of one tool bag with pretty hair that likes to brag about his 30-378. Funny thing is the dork had to pay someone to zero his scope for him...lol
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I guess I'm one of those Eastern tool bags, since I've primarily used 7MM cartridges to kill a couple of hundred hogs and deer.
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