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I do believe that the Noveske with the Black Hole is going to be a shooter. Steve, Who provides Black Hole with their barrel blanks? Looks like all parties concerned know what they are doing... John Friend John, I have no idea who supplies BHW's barrel blanks. Black Hole Weaponry is seemingly a local legend. The rifling is unusual; a three-grove polygonal ... no lands and grooves, just hills and valleys And you cannot believe how a patch whips through. In theory, it kinda makes sense that the polygonal rifling would clean up like a darn and it should foul less ... or am I missing something??? http://blackholeweaponry.com/As I stated, I've only fired three five-shot groups for record and all three were pretty remarkable; especially the first group which was basically one-hole with five lobes on it (a little under .300"!!!!!!!) I just heard about Black Hole from our local tiny AR-15 shop and they love them. The price is VERY RIGHT and they SHOOT. After firing just three groups, I can say that I am a bit impressed, as well. Of course, only time and sany, many groups will prove the barrel to me, but for now, I can say that after writing over one-hundred feature articles testing rifles, I've NEVER had one shoot it's first three consecutive groups so tight ... never. God Bless, Steve
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I called Curt today and ordered a SFR!
ddj What's he building for you, my friend? By the way, Curt is probably 55 or so, kinda portly and totally knows his stuff. Two guys who work there are about the same age; they are calm, been there and done that. All, if you could meet them, would totally impress you ... not much talk, just fact. When they build a rifle out of best parts, they take their time and build it as if it were there own. They LOVE this stuff and that is absolutely why they do it. When Curt asked and I told him about how my Noveske/Black Hole was shooting, he wasn't surprised. I suspect had he been at the rifle range and seen me shoot three consecutive five-shot groups with an aggregate (average group size) of .38", it would have blown his socks off. Curt and his friends are the real deal. Tiny, tiny shop and fantastic, caring AR-15 men. PLEASE let us know the exact prescription he's building for you. God Bless, Steve
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I drove by that shop the other day but didn't have time to stop in. Have to do that next weekend for sure; sounds like a neat place.
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I drove by that shop the other day but didn't have time to stop in. Have to do that next weekend for sure; sounds like a neat place. Yep, tiny doesn't even describe it Beside a "We buy GOLD and Platinum" joint and an RV Repair shop. My little jewelry store started just like that. My shop was so small that I had to go outside to change my mind My friend, you will enjoy youe visit. Be sure to take your Visa and/or your checkbook. Blessings, Steve
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Steve my friend,
I called Curt and told him I was looking for a Pre Election AR that I could use for hunting situations. I think his recommendation was almost exactly your gun. I did mention Cerakoting some of the pieces in Patriot Brown. He is emailing the exact specs. I'll let you know when he emails me.
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Steve my friend,
I called Curt and told him I was looking for a Pre Election AR that I could use for hunting situations. I think his recommendation was almost exactly your gun. I did mention Cerakoting some of the pieces in Patriot Brown. He is emailing the exact specs. I'll let you know when he emails me.
Thanks,
ddj COOL, He offered Cerecoating on mine, as well, but I was so anxious to get it that I said "No, but thanks." So, I have no idea how long it takes, nor what the charges are. To say I am happy with my rifle would be a gross understatement. It is superb. I cannot wait to hear what Curt e-mails. You are going to LOVE it, my friend. Steve
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I emailed Andy Baker from Black Hole and was here is is his response:
"Everything that we do is in house. We get the steel in 12 foot lengths and cut it to order. Then we drill, ream, and rifle each piece of raw stock. Let me know if you have anymore questions. Thanks."
Seems like it's working for them. I think I'm going to give them a try for my AR. I wonder if they'll do standard barrels in addition to AR barrels...
John
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I wonder if they'll do standard barrels in addition to AR barrels...
John I'd guess YES. The polygonal rifling fascinates me. And, from my extensive trial of a whole three five-shot groups they apparently are super accurate. By the way, the barrelmaker's art starts with perfectly deep-hole drilling and then gun-boring the bore. I did an article on barrels several years ago and interviewed literally every GREAT barrelmaker. The great ones did their own deep-hole drilling and gun-boring. Black Hole Weaponry has a fabulous reputation here in the Portland area. I gave them a try, as per Curt's (local AR shop) suggestion and I'm delighted. Please keep us up to speed on everything you find out. God Bless, Steve Below is a photo Noveske sent me today: I about pissed my pants with laughter.
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That kid's way smarter than most voters...
I'm with you on the polygonal. I sure don't see any disadvantage to it. I need to have a polygonal guilt edged PPC chambered up and see how it would do in comparison to conventional rifling...
John
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Friend John,
I can see why the polygonal would clean up like a whiz, too. And the three-groove makes sense; lotsa sense.
I was shooting Winchester Supreme (Black Box) 55-grain Ballistic Silvertips. After the twenty rounds, I ran a wet patch through my barrel and got a little black. And, in having driven a few million patches in my very long life, the barrel felt incredibly smoooooth ... actually smoother than I've ever felt.
I do believe that we are onto something, my friend.
Steve
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I have emailed him as well, I am looking for a lighter barrel but want to talk to him.
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Curt is a good guy. Talk to him.
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Curt seems to be First Class. I can see why he and Steve get along well.
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I called Curt today and ordered a SFR!
ddj What's he building for you, my friend? By the way, Curt is probably 55 or so, kinda portly and totally knows his stuff. Two guys who work there are about the same age; they are calm, been there and done that. All, if you could meet them, would totally impress you ... not much talk, just fact. When they build a rifle out of best parts, they take their time and build it as if it were there own. They LOVE this stuff and that is absolutely why they do it. When Curt asked and I told him about how my Noveske/Black Hole was shooting, he wasn't surprised. I suspect had he been at the rifle range and seen me shoot three consecutive five-shot groups with an aggregate (average group size) of .38", it would have blown his socks off. Curt and his friends are the real deal. Tiny, tiny shop and fantastic, caring AR-15 men. PLEASE let us know the exact prescription he's building for you. God Bless, Steve Here are the build details for Special order SFR AR: Noveske Gen 2 lower Wilson single stage trigger Noveske NSR rail Ni Bix bolt BCM charge handle Rainier Arms brake Magpul STR stock black H buffer Magpul + grip black Upper, lower and rail coat in Patriot Brown Thanks for the help Steve! ddj
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Curt also suggested I go with the Black Hole 18" barrel.
ddj
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ddj,
That is precisely the rifle I had him build for me, except for the Patriot Brown sections. Dang, that will be a spectacular rifle, my friend.
Yours, with the brown, will be way classier than mine.
And I'll bet it will be an unbelievable SHOOTER!!!!!
Steve
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Curt must know what works!
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My simple Daniel Defense M4V7 5.56 with a Burris 2-7X FF-II and Geiselle SSA trigger is a <1" rifle.
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I have the same upper with a pencil barrel and and LMT lower
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jimmyp, EDM, Have yall shot any 64 gr pp or 62gr tsx out of those Daniels? Thx
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