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The Cardinals make a miracle comeback and win in overtime to go 4 and 0... that's proof Jesus loves me most...

Kent

I knew it.

I saw your reply this morning after I had finished some loads and fixed breakfast. I didn't have time to respond at that time, as I had to drop my Mom off at the beauty shop on my way to the range.

Had some fun, confirmed some good loads, and doubled my Beowulf . That was exciting.



Fair enough.

Generally, I find Paul's letters, as well as those from James, Peter, and John, to be essential in understanding and giving proper context to the four Gospels.

Peter named Paul as a beloved Brother in his second letter but maybe you would toss out Peter's letters, also.

Paul's letters were not prophetic. He was an apostle whose job was to teach and primarily he expounded on the Gospel not expanded it.

As to whether Paul's letters are God's literal word, I would say not His Word, unless Paul is quoting something told to him by Christ, but given or inspired by God through His Holy Spirit.

Paul's letters are also instrumental in instructing believers about the Holy Spirit, who Jesus spoke about but had not yet arrived to minister to His followers.

But, generally, I can tell from some of your posts later on this thread that you fully believe Paul was inconsequential and possibly even a charlatan. I don't.

It seems you split hairs over hope and faith claiming the thief on the cross had no faith, only hope. Jesus mentioned faith 25 times in the Gospel's and hope once, and then in the context of hoping to be paid back for lending. I think He was pretty set on the importance of faith and saw that in the thief's heart. But believe what you will.

So generally, you won't convince me that Paul's letters have no place in the Gospel's and I won't convince you that they not only do, but are essential which is why they are there.

Fair enough.

Thanks for the reply and have a nice evening.

The their realized (and knew and believed) that Jesus was the Son of God. His faith was that Jesus was the Christ, though that realization was sudden and astounding.

You don't accept Apostle Paul's statement "when you received from us he Word of God's message, you accepted no the word of men, but what It really is, the Word of God"? 1 Thessalonians 2:13

Jake, the heavy set one of the Blues Brothers, taught me that the correct way is "Jesus H. Tap Dancing Christ". Was that what he was doing during the "missing years"?

Glad you had a good day and hope for a better evening...

I appreciate Paul's letters and understand the context of them, I doubt he ever believed there would be a new testament and that his letters would be taken by some as gospel. The issue is the Rapture, which Paul introduced because the Thessalonians were concerned about their dead and Jesus's second coming. I have no problem what he wrote, just the interpretation by the church, it has made his words prophetic and I don't believe Jesus needed to talk through Paul about these issues every time the new churches were concerned.

Paul also wrote things that conflicted with Jesus's word, again we are all human and it's not an issue until we are told Paul's words are gospel or Jesus's words.

I believe Jesus came and gave his message, he lived it, didn't write it and he could have, there was a reason and a lesson. I trust the words of his personal disciples first, though much of the gospels were written by assistants/confidants well after.

My overall issue is the exclusionary prophetic mention of the Rapture in this thread... When Jesus spoke of the end times he said something to the effect of gathering his chosen from the 'heavens' and the four winds of the earth... My mention of the criminal also references the criminal as being with Jesus in paradise immediately after death... the faith issue isn't stated and just something I found interesting, but I said it could be in translation, though Jesus didn't reference faith either in that instance, just acceptance, don't try to insinuate I was denying faith overall... So why raise the dead if they are already in heaven?

I don't know why you guys bring this kind of stuff up on the open forum, Jesus isn't offended about talk of dogs in heaven, he may enjoy the levity... but I imagine he is offended every time someone undecided gets turned off by bible thumpers when the message isn't even his.

Kent

I can accept that though it wasn't stated, he still wasn't baptized or obviously following any tenets or commandments.

Kent

One of my all time faves! Have you seen the light?
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If you read the Gospels in Their entirety you will discover baptism was not instituted until the day of Jesus' ascension.

What do you call the act that "John the Baptist" was doing if not baptisms?

How about the ritual cleansing baths required under Jewish law to remove uncleanliness?

Ed

When did it become a requirement for salvation?.... Gospely...

Kent

Yep, in 1 Convictions 2:18 it talks about the thief on the cross being taken dawn, baptized than nailed back up. That is the only way he could join Christ in Paradise.

See, if I hadn't slept through that seminary class, I wouldn't have missed that.... thanks.

Kent

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I was not clear enough. Sorry. Here's what Apostle Paul thought about John's Baptism:

"It happened that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus, and found some disciples. He said to them, �Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?� And they said to him, �No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.� And he said, �Into what then were you baptized?� And they said, �Into John�s baptism.� Paul said, �John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus.� When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying. There were in all about twelve men."
Acts 19:1-7

You can see Apostle Paul re-baptized them in the Name of the Lord.

What makes any of you think that WE are good enough to go to doggy heaven?

Glad to help.

Pets will be in heaven but they will hopefully be quite and not crap in other people's yard.

So is Paul the one that came to baptize with the Holy Spirit and the Fire?

Kent