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Only Leupold can conduct meaningful test.
You should know that by now.


dave

Never seen any test results they've conducted. Only unsubstantiated marketing hype.

Leupold Advertising Guy #1:
We have been informed by management that of the various coatings available from SUCKIE SUCKIE LONG WANG LLC. Our Chinese optical supplier, that managment has picked the most cost effective one and that we,the advertising department,now have to come up with a name for the new coatings.Management wants something new and wants to create a "buzz" around the introduction of our new scope the V what ever bullchit we call it now.

Leupold Advertising Guy #2:
Well ok.How about IRON COAT.You know,Iron Mike Tyson.Tuff as Iron....

Leupold Advertising Guy #1:
Hay thats good, but but we need to emphasize that the coating is really really tuff stuff....

Leupold Advertising Guy #2:
Ok,how about STEEL COAT.Steel is tuffer that iron hows that?

Leupold Advertising Guy #1:
Hay thats better, but but we need to emphasize that the coating is really really really tuff stuff....

Leupold Advertising Guy #2:
Ok,how about DIAMOND COAT II.We put more real Diamonds in diamond coat II than diamond coat I
.Diamonds are tuffer that steel, hows that?

Leupold Advertising Guy #1:
Yep can't get any harder than diamonds.Thats good.I like it.You know,if we spread this around alot, some dumb sumbitch might actually think that we developed it and that it actually has real diamonds in it........





You mean, like that?



dave

dave7mm,

You are creatively cute! I love it.

Late to this thread. Just got back from a hunting trip.

Yes, I have a Schmidt on my hunting rifle and love it. In spite of the fact that it lacks "diamond hard coatings" etc.



Here's a S&B 10X42 PMII with adjustable turrets that you can get for roughly the same as a VX6. About $1800 new and $1500 used. The scope is bombproof, the glass is amazing and the clicks are absolutely repeatable.

Three shot group from my 308.



And another:



Three shot group at 760 meters:



I'm telling you, these scopes will spoil you.

Even Eremicus won't enjoying shooting a Leupold after he gets one.....

I've only seen the PMII 10x42mm available with a P3 Mil-Dot reticle. Anyone know if a different reticle (A4) is available?

Touche'

:::laffin:::

very nice


dave

That is certainly sleeker looking than the Swaro z5. Very nice.

Nice shooting, and great rifle! Have you posted the build specs in the blueprints section? I'd love to hear about the build and who at GAP did it for you.

Eric

Pretty sure the p3 is standard.
Reticle changes from them are more like the cost of a liver.
dave

That's a nice scope!Do they make that in a fixed 6X with the same turrets,etc?

The 10X PMII only comes in 10X with the P3 recticle standard.

I would imagine S&B could change the P3 out if you wanted it changed but it would probably be over $500 to do it. Not only would that be exorbitantly expensive (in my opinion)but completely unneccessary as the mildots give you several advantages (range estimation capability, windage reference, and extra drop capability when you top out your turrets).

Bob, I've never seen a 6X PMII with turrets. I've heard they used to but it was discontinued. But never having seen one, I can't vouch for that.

In my opinion, unless you're hunting thick forest where you can only see 50 yards or so to shoot, a 10X won't hinder you one bit.

BOb..I like your taste!

oldslowdog/Old Guns: Thanks for the info....yeah a 10X would work in the open but in much of my hunting I am in and out of thick vs open stuff.A 6X would suit me better.

I like the scope though; nice and clean looking and not much gizmo....the absence of a power change ring is....uh....refreshing.

So, let me get this right. Bushnell claims to test their so called tough coatings and you buy that w/o question. Yet when Leupold test their stuff, that's just marketing hype. Right ?
How about the US military ? They have a standard for scope coating durability and Leupold's Diamond Coat II easily passes them.
That's one reason why the US Army uses nothing but Leupold rifle scopes. And some of their other optics, like their spotting scopes. Don't recall Bushnell winning any military contracts.
BTW, I noticed that Cabela's new premium euro rifle scope comes with super hard coatings, but not some sort of rain guard. Some of the binocular companies like Leica and Pentax have been offering super hard coatings for some time on their top of the line stuff. Funny they don't offer rain guard tough coatings as well. E

dave7mm & oldslowdog,

Much obliged on the clarification. If S&B offered their PMII 10x42 with a standard hunting reticle I'd likely get one. Unbelievable what they may charge to do a reticle swap...

BobinNH,

S&B does offer a 6x42mm in their Klassic fixed line. Only issue (to me anyways) is the ER is a scant 3.15"

Funny how some get all horned up on this crap, complete waste of time. Pick what works for ya and roll on. There are people that get out in the woods and get results and others that try, but love to talk about/defend what they use but in the end eat their tag year after year. Stuff is not that difficult and the arguing is pointless.

Who cares what the military uses?

Tell me way I need diamond coat ( my older VXIII works fine), as does my Conquest?

Wow . . .

What the military uses (outside SOF) and military contracts won have absolutely NOTHING to do with superior quality.....I can assure you of that!!!

You mean tough.... like, say, a coating of diamonds?

John