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UNC Chapel Hill ?

Any "study" that comes out of UNCCH will say what their political agenda wants it to say.


Mike

Exactly, he was clueless but tried to make it sound as ominous as Godzilla attacking Tokyo.

Interesting. I'd like to see the info from a credible source. The point I've been trying to make is the risk in generalizing, and the potential cost of pursuing solutions that may not be effective, even if just not cost effective in use of resources.

Trying to solve a major problem because it seems to make common sense or gives people a sense of security isn't the way to go, although it's politically tempting. Common sense gun control, anyone?

Paul

You really don't understand how academia works.

4:52 p.m: Ryan Lanza, 24, brother of gunman Adam Lanza, 20, tells authorities that his younger brother is autistic, or has Asperger syndrome and a �personality disorder.� Neighbors described the younger man to ABC as �odd� and displaying characteristics associated with obsessive-compulsive disorder.

Iz dat sew ?


Mike

Real cause? While there isn't just one, in my mind at the top of the list there is this:

Immediate fame.


Remove that, and I wonder how many of these younger mass murderers would even think about it.

I wouldn't know about that, but the study which was from the medical school didn't seem to have an agenda, it was about statistical prediction. I did note that race wasn't included among the factors studied, which makes you wonder.

But be that as it may, I mentioned this as one recent study. There have been decades of such research, and it all points to about the same things.

One thing is for damned sure, violent behavior is hard to predict, especially in the absence of previous such behavior. Would that it were otherwise, but there are high stakes in continuing to research the causes and to predict it before it occurs.

Paul

Paul,
You can probably surf it up on their webpages. Been coming out every so often over the last 2-3 yrs on a regular basis.

Do you need a license in the US to purchase a firearm? Does it vary from state to state? The media seems to make it like anyone can just either walk into a store and buy a firearm or order one off the internet.

Here in Canada we need to take a training course and then apply for a Posession and Acquisition License. We then have to fill out the following application:
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/form-formulaire/pdfs/5592-eng.pdf

Well if you are not attributing mental illness to Laughner, Holms, Cho, and now a guy who would execute a kindergarten class, I would be interested to here your theory.

Be interesting to know how violent behavior correlates with narcissistic personality disorder.

Interviews on the Sean Hannity show state the the school had just implemented a new security program. The school is locked down when class starts at 9:30. You have to be buzzed in to enter the school, and there was an armed security guard. Visual identification probably allowed the entry of this person, known to be the son of a teacher who worked there. He started shooting in the principals office and killed the principal, vice principal and counselor. He then went to an adjecent room and started shooting. That was the Kindergarten room.

You cant legislate this type of activity. If the teacher had gun issued by the school, the bad guy still has to come through the class room door. Hearing shots across the hall, she could have hidden behind her desk, or a pile of desks and just kept him from entering the room with gun fire. I know it isnt as easy as it sounds, but learning to protect yourself is the only way to stop these kind of events. He would have had a hard time getting through the door to execute children if he had to get through a shotgun blast every time he showed his face.

Given my experience with asbergers and autism, if this kid had a break and thought these children were somehow "taking his mother". It very well could cause this type of reaction. Now I am not saying that all with autism and/or asbergers are capable of doing this type of thing, even remotely. But if he displayed obsessive behavior as an aspect of his condition he would not see these children or adults as people as we do. He would merely see them as obstacles and bad people that took his mother's attention from him.

We will feel the effects of this for a very long time and things like this will continue to happen until people realize that a person who can take a gun point it at a childs face and pull the trigger is so far gone that no law will make a difference in they're decision.

Any one can take a gun into a gunfree zone and have complete control, All across the US any teacher who is willing, quallified and who has had intensive training should be carrying a gun while teaching a class, this gun free zone schit has to STOP!

This [bleep] coward was unknowingly allowed to kill these children and the only way to stop it is to make a school a saftey zone not a gunfree zone.

These [bleep] people have not protected our children and I hold not only the gunman responsible but also the people who had anything to do with this gunfree zone schit!

Common Sense is all you need for gun control and unfortunatly there does'nt seem to be much of that in this world anymore.

If this is true, it begs the question... what was he doing with guns, and how/where did he get them? Of course, that will come out in the coming days.

From what I heard earlier on fox is that they were registered to his mother. Given that he apparently did not live with her you cannot easily say she gave him access either.

".........how academia works."


Now that's an oxymoron to rank right up there with "military intelligence".

In other words if you have guns and people you cannot control/trust with a gun knows that, keep them in a safe except for the one you have direct control of. Better yet do not tell anyone even family members you would not trust with a gun.

You're missing the point. Of course there have been serious violent crimes committed by mentally ill persons, and they get wide publicity. That doesn't translate to a generalization that mental illness is a reliable predictor of violent behavior. You can't generalize from cases to the whole. The question is the incidence of violent behavior on the part of the mentally ill, vs. those without such conditions.

We will likely learn eventually what motivated this heinous crime.

The real practical problem is valid prediction. Determining causes after the fact is hard enough. Predicting future behavior is much more difficult.

Paul