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This guy being an agent of the devil himself explains the whole deal.
Of course, if you are too "enlightened" to believe that EVIL exists, then you must keep searching for something else.
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Do you need a license in the US to purchase a firearm? Does it vary from state to state? The media seems to make it like anyone can just either walk into a store and buy a firearm or order one off the internet. Here in Canada we need to take a training course and then apply for a Posession and Acquisition License. We then have to fill out the following application: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/form-formulaire/pdfs/5592-eng.pdf You walk into a store, see a gun you like, fill out a form, pass an instant background check that says you are not a felon nor have you been locked up for a mental disorder, pay your money and walk out if it is a long gun. Most states have some sort of waiting period, something like 3 to five days for handguns. But this kid was 20 and you must be 21 to buy a handgun.
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Given my experience with asbergers and autism, if this kid had a break and thought these children were somehow "taking his mother". It very well could cause this type of reaction. Now I am not saying that all with autism and/or asbergers are capable of doing this type of thing, even remotely. But if he displayed obsessive behavior as an aspect of his condition he would not see these children or adults as people as we do. He would merely see them as obstacles and bad people that took his mother's attention from him. If that is the case would he have killed her mother in that scenario, seems if he wanted to save her from the kids the last thing he would do is shoot here as well. Just thinking in my rational world.
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I also am praying for the first responders.
To witness that sort of carnage, especially children,will leave a lasting impression. Absoluely. When I was FF/EMT some of the things we saw concerning children still haunt me and wake me up at night. God bless the first responders....Police, FF and ER staff too. And as with any small community such as this incident is reported to have happened in, it's entirely possible that some of the deceased were known and maybe even related to some of the first responders that entered the school building.
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Not at all. If he thought his mother betrayed him by not giving him the attention he felt he deserved. He very much could have killed her in the moment then "went after" those he felt responsible for the whole thing. Asbergers sufferers often do not blame themselves for anything. Many times they are very self focused so it becomes what "these terrible people are doing to me".
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Not at all. If he thought his mother betrayed him by not giving him the attention he felt he deserved. He very much could have killed her in the moment then "went after" those he felt responsible for the whole thing. Asbergers sufferers often do not blame themselves for anything. Many times they are very self focused so it becomes what "these terrible people are doing to me". Okay, thanks for the explanation.
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".........how academia works."
Now that's an oxymoron to rank right up there with "military intelligence". Oh , academia works alright , insidiously , insidious enough to fool a lot of people. Mike
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Do you need a license in the US to purchase a firearm? Does it vary from state to state? The media seems to make it like anyone can just either walk into a store and buy a firearm or order one off the internet. Here in Canada we need to take a training course and then apply for a Posession and Acquisition License. We then have to fill out the following application: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/form-formulaire/pdfs/5592-eng.pdf You walk into a store, see a gun you like, fill out a form, pass an instant background check that says you are not a felon nor have you been locked up for a mental disorder, pay your money and walk out if it is a long gun. Most states have some sort of waiting period, something like 3 to five days for handguns. But this kid was 20 and you must be 21 to buy a handgun. I see. Thanks for the info.
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Glad to help. I forgot one thing, if you have a concealed carry permit you have already had a background check and in most states can walk out without the waiting period. You still have to fill out the four page federal form and pass an instant background check but I walked into a store and walked out with a new 1911 in less than thirty minutes.
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Oh , academia works alright , insidiously , insidious enough to fool a lot of people.
Mike Not nearly so well as those that work so hard to fool themselves however.
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Not at all. If he thought his mother betrayed him by not giving him the attention he felt he deserved. He very much could have killed her in the moment then "went after" those he felt responsible for the whole thing. Asbergers sufferers often do not blame themselves for anything. Many times they are very self focused so it becomes what "these terrible people are doing to me". I wonder why he killed himself then???? He must of felt responsible for something.....
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Do you need a license in the US to purchase a firearm? Does it vary from state to state? The media seems to make it like anyone can just either walk into a store and buy a firearm or order one off the internet. Here in Canada we need to take a training course and then apply for a Posession and Acquisition License. We then have to fill out the following application: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/form-formulaire/pdfs/5592-eng.pdf You registered three years ago and you have 400+ posts and ask that question? You pulled up a link to the requirements in Canada and damn sure could have typed your question into Google but you know the answer....stop being a trolling dickhead!
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Absolutely horrifying. Been staring out the window all day wanting to puke. Those poor families. And this school has more safety measures than any I have heard of. I drove by my kids school after hearing this and watched them playing on recess...only a 4 foot fence separating them from a major highway. Anyone with a gun or a knife could jump the fence and cause this type of horror. Of course it could be the mall, church or movie theater also. Keep em home forever?
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Oh , academia works alright , insidiously , insidious enough to fool a lot of people.
Mike Not nearly so well as those that work so hard to fool themselves however. I guess you'd know about that one. Mike
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my heart goes out to those affected by this horrible atrocity.
but there's to be mucho collateral damage as well.
if you choose to arm yourself or bear arms in this society, it's going to become exceedingly difficult to do so.
you may indeed have to make the choice whether you remain law abiding or not.
I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
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... a person who can take a gun point it at a childs face and pull the trigger is so far gone that no law will make a difference in they're decision. +1
Quit giving in inch by inch then looking back to lament the mile behind ya and wonder how to preserve those few feet left in front of ya. They'll never stop until they're stopped. That's a fact.
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Ryan Lanza is apparently the shooter's brother. Adam Lanza is the shooter (according to CBS news). Penny
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. --Hebrews 11:1
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Do you need a license in the US to purchase a firearm? Does it vary from state to state? The media seems to make it like anyone can just either walk into a store and buy a firearm or order one off the internet. Here in Canada we need to take a training course and then apply for a Posession and Acquisition License. We then have to fill out the following application: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/form-formulaire/pdfs/5592-eng.pdf You walk into a store, see a gun you like, fill out a form, pass an instant background check that says you are not a felon nor have you been locked up for a mental disorder, pay your money and walk out if it is a long gun. Most states have some sort of waiting period, something like 3 to five days for handguns. But this kid was 20 and you must be 21 to buy a handgun. NOt only must be 21, but if he lived in NJ you have to pass a mental health and criminal background check. 3 references. it often takes months to do the background hceck, and rarely under a month. That permit is good for one handgun for 90 days only. once it expires, the entire process must be repeated. It took me 9 months to get a final approval/permit for a handgun last year. Time it takes to complete background hceck varies tremendously by municipality, but the rules are the same.
Quit giving in inch by inch then looking back to lament the mile behind ya and wonder how to preserve those few feet left in front of ya. They'll never stop until they're stopped. That's a fact.
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You registered three years ago and you have 400+ posts and ask that question? You pulled up a link to the requirements in Canada and damn sure could have typed your question into Google but you know the answer....stop being a trolling dickhead!
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Do you need a license in the US to purchase a firearm? Does it vary from state to state? The media seems to make it like anyone can just either walk into a store and buy a firearm or order one off the internet. Here in Canada we need to take a training course and then apply for a Posession and Acquisition License. We then have to fill out the following application: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/form-formulaire/pdfs/5592-eng.pdf You walk into a store, see a gun you like, fill out a form, pass an instant background check that says you are not a felon nor have you been locked up for a mental disorder, pay your money and walk out if it is a long gun. Most states have some sort of waiting period, something like 3 to five days for handguns. But this kid was 20 and you must be 21 to buy a handgun. NOt only must be 21, but if he lived in NJ you have to pass a mental health and criminal background check. 3 references. it often takes months to do the background hceck, and rarely under a month. That permit is good for one handgun for 90 days only. once it expires, the entire process must be repeated. It took me 9 months to get a final approval/permit for a handgun last year. Time it takes to complete background hceck varies tremendously by municipality, but the rules are the same. Thanks for providing this detailed explanation. Nine months seems like a very long time for a law-abiding citizen to wait for a permit to purchase a handgun.
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