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It will be a lackluster 204, destined to fail because of ammunition costs and little industry support for the platform. Is the 204 your refering to a rimfire?
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Varmint Guy: Ill start out with five boxes, 125 rounds of Hornady ammo. By neck sizing the rimmed case they should be reloadable five plus times. I have some extra new 22 Hornet brass for my Kimber of OR Mdl 82 but I dont like the thin walled 22 brass. Hornady 17 Hornet brass should be avalible befor prairie dogs pups come out. This winter there a few jackrabbits hanging out by my wheat feild that are going to find out what a 17 Hornet will do.-- Next year theres an old girl that has hung out with me for 55 years. Could be that Im an old gun nut.
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Yawwwwwwwwwn ! I'd have been alot more interested in a larger bore magnum rimfire. I had precious little use for the .17 HMR I bought and subsequently sold and don't want or need another pea shooter.
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Bracer: I just returned from a day afield here in SW Montana - had a blast took some great photos and as I am coming up my drive just after sunset (in a blazing moonrise!) I spy 3 big white Jack Rabbits cavorting in my field! I think the 17 Hornet (if I had one!) would be the perfect medicine for these tall Jacks. Yeah I can't wait to get one. Yeah the necks of some 22 Hornet brass these days can get VERY thin indeed. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
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Bracer: I just returned from a day afield here in SW Montana - had a blast took some great photos and as I am coming up my drive just after sunset (in a blazing moonrise!) I spy 3 big white Jack Rabbits cavorting in my field! I think the 17 Hornet (if I had one!) would be the perfect medicine for these tall Jacks. Yeah I can't wait to get one. Yeah the necks of some 22 Hornet brass these days can get VERY thin indeed. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy 10-4............As a reloader, I've no use for a rimfire when a centerfire already exists that will stomp it's azz and do it cheaper..........'though I do feel for those east of me who can only hunt predators with rimfires on conservation areas. For them this may be the "grail".......... X-VERMINATOR
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Looks like it's the 17 Winchester Super Mag with a 20 Gr. @ 3000 FPS and a 25 Gr. @ 2600 FPS .
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Couldn't tell from the video what the physical dimensions of the cartridge are, but it would be neat if I could just add a $150 barrel/ magazine to my CZ-455 if curiousity gets the best of me.
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I'll admit I'm interested. I have 22lrs, 22mags, had a 17m2 and an hmr. I also use the 221fb and the .223...
I like my 22mag for coons and fox sized critters out to 100yards or so. I like my centerfires for coyotes and cats.
But I do believe Winchester may be onto something here. I'm really interested. I know it hasn't been used on critters yet but judging by the numbers it looks like you could have a rifle that would be hell on crows, pigeons, and the like but be able to take predator calling as well. For an easterner like me where shots are generally 100yards or less...it looks like a sweet little package so far.
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Yep,
I'm intrested! also interested in the Savage single shot rifle in the link. Alway have liked falling block rifles.
Virgil B.
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Couldn't tell from the video what the physical dimensions of the cartridge are, but it would be neat if I could just add a $150 barrel/ magazine to my CZ-455 if curiousity gets the best of me. In Swampy's link above there is a pic of HMR and WSM side by side. It appears that the WSM may be too big for a standard HMR Magazine ... can't see much regarding head dimensions ... Tried Google-fu, but my skills are weak ... must not be much out there on case dimensions.
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They did say it was based off a .27 cal nail gun cartridge. Substantially fatter than the .17hrm and .22M.
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Yep,
I'm intrested! also interested in the Savage single shot rifle in the link. Alway have liked falling block rifles.
Virgil B. I think thats a winchester 1885 low wall.
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I thought it was a 1885 too. I'm interested in the savages though. Anyone know anything about them?
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They did say it was based off a .27 cal nail gun cartridge. Substantially fatter than the .17hrm and .22M. IF their illustration is to scale AND my skills with a caliper can be trusted, there is approximately 0.009" differences in head diameter. 0.286" for the HMR (wikipedia) extrapolates to 0.295" for the new WSM. Approximately a 3% increase. I bet Ruger will have little difficulty adapting it for their 77/22 .... Little work to their Hornet magazine and boom ![smile smile](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/default/smile.gif)
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Did'nt see any dimensions on the case reported by anyone yet . One downside ( if there is one ) is that the cartridges are pricey . Saw a post from Mr. Mayer which listed prices from about $15 to $17 per Box depending on the Bullet ( Don't know if that was Retail or not ).
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What do you think barrel/throat life will be like with this round?
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Ricks got a sticky on it in the Hunters Forum...
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Darn, I dont even have a 17 Hornet rifle yet and an bigger 17 rimfire is comming out to tempt me. Im somewhat of a 17 caliber fan . If they chamber a rifle for the Win round that is accurate it may get into my gun locker.
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"The most interesting thing about the .17WSM may be the casing it uses, which doesn�t come from a firearm at all. Winchester manufactures .27 caliber rimfire casings already for use in powered fasteners (what we rednecks call �nail guns�).�"
Maybe Winchester will nickname the cartridge the NAILER.
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