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Must be one of swampy's old remingtons. Yep.....
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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You really need to work on the load. Have you fully prepped the brass? 1. Uniform Primer pockets 2. De-burr flash holes 3. Neck turn and inside neck ream to no more than .003" neck thickness 4. Trim all brass exactly after using chamber length gauge 5. Chamfer with VLD tool 6. Anneal 7. Use redding FL bushing die for .001" neck tension 8. Stoney Pointe tool to determine OAL. Ruger's like no more than .01263" of jump! 9. Polish with stainless steel media with cat litter buffer 10. Use only Winchester 209 shotshell primers. Don't ask me why, I just know. If you can't get them to seat, refer to "Handloading for Dummies" manual 11. Use mica dry lube after you polish the inside of the necks with fine steel wool Then seat bullets. Use only Winchester bulk bullets. Awesome! Seat bullets pointy end first. Micrometer SEATER die will help 12. I forgot. Lyman dippers for charging cases. Level off with pocket knife 13. Check concentricity of each loaded round. If more than .0002" exists, use collet bullet puller and disassemble rounds and start over. Try to diagnose where you went wrong. If really master this process, your gun should shoot around .9" groups Oh, I just read that it is already shooting .8" now. NEVERMIND! You guys crack me up- everyone knows that you can't seat bullet pointy side down with .01263" of jump! The ogive won't have sufficient neck tension to be concentric to the bore. You're going to have this poor kid so confused about reloading, shooting, etc.... he'll be afraid to drop his pants to crap in the woods without checking in with the forum first..... Bob WTF, I thought that's why we have our smiths add more freebore. Nothing like a loooooong throat...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I can tell by the way he wears his hat that he seats bullets the way I recommend.
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My god. Some of the people on here crack the best jokes.
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If you don't believe me I can email you a picture of the group, had a couple <1 MOA groups but I kept the best one. Although that was a pretty hilarious post if I do say so.
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I can tell by the way he wears his hat that he seats bullets the way I recommend. I look at the cut of his jib, it's much more telling.
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I can tell by the way he wears his hat that he seats bullets the way I recommend. I look at the cut of his jib, it's much more telling. Yep Shoots in his bath robe. Comfortable enough to simply dip the 7892sdsc
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He throws his charges of 7892sdsc (wayyy slower burning than Retumbo, and super duper short cut) I believe. Says his ES stays well below 3.
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Well, that explains it. Those new IMR powders sure are versatile.
He likes to cant the rifle, huh? Must have something to do with the hat or maybe the ugly angle of the targets on that slope.
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How many shots in your best group and how many groups did you fire? Apart from setting some sort of record, what's important is the size of group you can reliably fire. Without getting too deep into statistics, if you fired 5 groups and averaged their size what would it be? If it's under 1 MOA you have a fine shooting gun. Apart from getting a better scope and playing with the loads I would leave it alone as you might free float the barrel and find you get worse accuracy.
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On average I would say that 1 inch groups are average. I'm not the greatest shot, but i'm confident I can outshoot that rifle. My question is, do i need to bother upgrading anything considering it's already shooting better than what it's supposed to? I honestly don't know if I were to throw a Nightforce on it it would help anything.
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I would stick a Hensoldt up top and watch it shine.
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i'm confident I can outshoot that rifle. That's no big deal, I'm always outshooting my rifles. They're only MOA rifles, but I can shoot 'em at a half inch.
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i'm confident I can outshoot that rifle. That's no big deal, I'm always outshooting my rifles. They're only MOA rifles, but I can shoot 'em at a half inch. LOL!!! You ain't right......
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On average I would say that 1 inch groups are average. I'm not the greatest shot, but i'm confident I can outshoot that rifle. My question is, do i need to bother upgrading anything considering it's already shooting better than what it's supposed to? I honestly don't know if I were to throw a Nightforce on it it would help anything. You can always experiment with loads just for the fun of it, but when it comes to spending money on a gun that already shoots better than expected it comes down to what you want to use that gun for, how much money you have, and what you're getting for your money. If it's a rifle you intend to use a lot then a better scope might be worthwhile, particularly given how you described the current scope. I see ads where manufacturers brag about 3 shot MOA groups such as on page 71 of the February issue of Guns & Ammo. People on this forum would consider that a starting point rather than something to be proud of. What it tells me, however, is that it's not easy to manufacture hunting rifles with sub-MOA accuracy. You could spend good money on your old rifle and find that it's no more accurate than it is now and maybe a lot worse.
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i'm confident I can outshoot that rifle. That's no big deal, I'm always outshooting my rifles. They're only MOA rifles, but I can shoot 'em at a half inch. The very mark of a man who is at the top of his game judging those by the cut of their jib.
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No big deal, I stuck a Hensoldt on it like Tanner said. NEF single shot.
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The Hensoldt was designed for the NEF single shot.
He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.
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I know, I was on the design team.
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