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but using that argument, so does a .22......
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I'd never try it. Even if it was legal to use here.
I know the .54 ball works. Big hole, good expansion, and good energy if kept at a reasonable range.
With that said. I'm thinking about using a 425 gr all lead conical this year to be sure.
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I'm thinking about using a 425 gr all lead conical this year to be sure. +1 They work very well and shoot a little flatter.
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I'm thinking about using a 425 gr all lead conical this year to be sure. +1 They work very well and shoot a little flatter. I ran the 425gr bullet, and a 225gr PRB through a ballistic calculator, and was shock at the difference at 100yds. Even when the PRB starts at 700fps more at the muzzle. The round ball is fun to shoot, and it's nostalgic, but damn it loses energy fast. I respect elk too much to wound one. The only negative with the 425gr conical is the recoil is a bit lively, but it only hurts for a little while.
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Try the 460 grain no excuse bullet..Great bullets
I'd just as soon use an arrow over a round ball.
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Try the 460 grain no excuse bullet..Great bullets
I'd just as soon use an arrow over a round ball. I would, but the twist in my gun is a little slow for that bullet. 400-425gr is just right. Hornady Great Plains bullet is my choice. No Excuse it a great bullet, but my gun is .54, and the no excuse is over 500gr for it.
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I use 370 gr Maxi-balls in my 50 cal Knight rifle and they seem to hold up and penetrate well on elk.
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but using that argument, so does a .22...... or a ball peen hammer. 
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We're talking "smallish bore" rifles here. Not .50's, not .54's, and damn sure not ballpean hammers. Now, if you wanna follow the rules and talk yer stuff about .36 (or smaller) cal bp rifles, then maybe we'll lissen......... Until then, take mouser and go start yer own thread.....grin
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Well, we've established that you can kill an elk at 400 yards with a .22-250, so not much else to say, is there?
But, for all the guys who have to save up for an elk hunt, why go with anything less than a .30-06? Unless you have a physical problem anyone should be able to handle the recoil of an '06.
And, these modern bullets don't always perform miracles. I shot a kudu with a 225 grain TSX with my .35 Whelen and it didn't make it all the way thru. A kudu weighs a couple of hundred pounds less than an elk.
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We're talking "smallish bore" rifles here. Not .50's, not .54's, and damn sure not ballpean hammers. Now, if you wanna follow the rules and talk yer stuff about .36 (or smaller) cal bp rifles, then maybe we'll lissen......... Until then, take mouser and go start yer own thread.....grin Name isn't mouser dipsheet. You must be a part of that group of azzholes with pea brains.
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it's bean. I hate peas.....
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Guess I missed the part of life where killing an elk was a miracle...
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Ive watched dozens of guys shoot elk, on many hunting trips,over the decades and many dozens more learn to shoot from field positions rather than only from a bench rest, at the range.
Its been rather a consistent thing to see most guys can,t hit crap from field positions at first, when they first start practice without a bench rest.
and while their choice in caliber used may have effected the results, Id bet 90% of the guys can,t keep a 2" group at 50 yards or a 4" 100 yard group with a 223rem when they first start out.
accuracy with a rifle from field positions takes extensive practice and most guys prefer to shoot tiny groups from a bench rest rather than actually practice from positions they are likely to actually use on an elk hunt.
what I do find is that when you teach them to properly use a sling and a 25"-27" folding bi-pod from a sitting position, groups tend to shrink to acceptable field accuracy much faster than shooting free hand without those accessories.
you don,t need to shoot 1" groups at 100 yards to kill elk, but you should be able to hit a soda can on the first shot with a bi-pod and sling on your elk rifle at 100-150 yards or hit one at 50-70 yards shooting off hand very easily with practice.
everyone has a recoil limit that will effect their accuracy, but most guys that can handle a 30/06 can also shoot reasonable groups with the 7mm and 300 mags once the sling and bi-pod are installed
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Ive watched dozens of guys shoot elk, on many hunting trips,over the decades and many dozens more learn to shoot from field positions rather than only from a bench rest, at the range.
Its been rather a consistent thing to see most guys can,t hit crap from field positions at first, when they first start practice without a bench rest.
and while their choice in caliber used may have effected the results, Id bet 90% of the guys can,t keep a 2" group at 50 yards or a 4" 100 yard group with a 223rem when they first start out.
accuracy with a rifle from field positions takes extensive practice and most guys prefer to shoot tiny groups from a bench rest rather than actually practice from positions they are likely to actually use on an elk hunt.
what I do find is that when you teach them to properly use a sling and a 25"-27" folding bi-pod from a sitting position, groups tend to shrink to acceptable field accuracy much faster than shooting free hand without those accessories.
you don,t need to shoot 1" groups at 100 yards to kill elk, but you should be able to hit a soda can on the first shot with a bi-pod and sling on your elk rifle at 100-150 yards or hit one at 50-70 yards shooting off hand very easily with practice.
everyone has a recoil limit that will effect their accuracy, but most guys that can handle a 30/06 can also shoot reasonable groups with the 7mm and 300 mags once the sling and bi-pod are installed Great observation, and I agree whole-heartedly.
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Smallish bores on elk........... how does a 223 Rem sound?
Last Sat morning, my shooting buddy called and said that a client of his has two elk on her property (this is is Adelaide, South Australia) which had esscaped from neighbouring deer farms and were harassing her sheep and alpacas. She wanted then "gone". Now my mate and I thought they must be red deer not elk - but getting to the property, her observations were correct.
Now my pal in all his wisdom decided to bring his howa 223 shooting 55 grain Barnes TTSX reloads. The first animal we shot was the smaller of the two - but still a very large animal - one shot through the lungs and down it went.
The second much larger animal we bagged after a long stalk and my pal who was doing the shooting put FIVE shots into it before it dropped - at around 150- 200 metres. All shots were into the heart / lung area. This second animal was about 1 1/2 times the size of the first aminal but nevertheless, took a bit to get it down.
Yes, elk can be bagged with smaller calibres but I woudl rather prefer to shoot something like a 243 with 100 grain load or bigger just for the added edge.
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Thanks for sharing sakoman, that really adds a great perspective on a very tired topic.
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im finding it interesting that as the years go by that the bullets are made better and better, and yet the animals in the eyes of the masses get tougher and tougher to kill. the .375H&H and killed a lot of game in africa in all shapes and sizes, and now suddenly its not big enough? the .270 and the 30-06 have killed elk and bear and moose in this country for almost a 100yrs and yet now every time i hear a conversation about elk all i hear is, oh you gotta have at least a .338 win mag to kill elk..... ive seen elk go down to the .243, ive seen even more go down from the 25-06. if you pick a decent bullet made for hunting, and place your shot correctly elk will die from a 25-06 just like they have for ever after being hit with a 30-30win. my advice is train for the terrain, and train hard. the better shape you are during elk season the better. you will have an easier time making a good shot if you can breath. second thing is shoot your rifle a lot so you are totally confident in your ability, and yet know the limits of yourself as well as the rifle.
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