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A different response might be something like this: When I call the cops because someone is breaking into my house they will show up to face that threat, someone breaking into my house, with standard capacity magazines in their pistols (15-20) and ARs (30). They are not showing up to "kill as many as possible". They are simply carrying the right tools to face an unknown threat. I am an American Citizen and the 2nd Amendment allows me the right to keep and bear arms for several reasons. One of those reasons is self defense and I choose the same types of arms as my local police department because I face the same threats as my local police department. Or you could just start screaming "Molon Labe" as you dance in a circle around him. Good response. Cops carry as many bullets as is practically possible because they may need them. To think that somebody else might not need them is just stupid.
The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.
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What if a Mexican drug cartel hit squad mistakes your house for the house of their intended target? With a six round magazine, you had better be a good shot and make EVERY shot count.
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Ask him why he should not be trusted with either an AR or a mag. Keep after him to answer, because he will refuse to answer it directly. That is, after all, what he is saying with a ban. They think no one should be allowed to have one. Why not him? What is it about him that can't be trusted? I'll bet you don't get an answer. That is a great tactic.
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I have a co worker who is a raving libtard.
He is all over me about my lack of real argument over the magazine capacity.
He says there is absolutely no need for a large capacity magazine, and nobody should need more than 6-10 for any reason.
I told him it is not about need, but a right to own what we want to paid for in blood. He needs to stop blaming rifles and magazines for what people are doing with them...
So, what is a better statement to return fire with? You can't explain why you feel the way you feel? Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Marty you can try to use logic on a libtard but it is like beating your head against the wall. You will just get a headache IF you can get him to listen without him running his mouth hysterically you may have a chance.
Liberalism is a mental disorder that leads to social disease.
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Using logic and reason with these idiots never works, I have found a good solid GFY keep them from bringin it up in the future.
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Invite him to go shooting with you. I have yet to see someone who doesn't absolutely love to dump a 30 round mag as fast as they can pull the trigger. Most of these anti gun folks have no hands on experience with firearms at all, you never know, you may change his mind. This
Grammar is important. Capitol letters are the difference between "helping your Uncle Jack off a horse" & "helping your uncle jack off a horse".
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The answer I've used is simply that police response may be up to 20 to 30 minutes away, and I'm very likely restricted to the rounds loaded in the gun. Bad guys don't always just run away when they see a gun or have that first shot fired, especially if they're stoned out of their gourd.
Another argument I've used is that if their teenage daughter is grabbed by 8 drunks and pulled into a dark alley, do they want the rescuer who happens to be walking by to be carrying a 6 round revolver or a 17 round 9mm semi-auto?
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Invite him to go shooting with you. I have yet to see someone who doesn't absolutely love to dump a 30 round mag as fast as they can pull the trigger. Most of these anti gun folks have no hands on experience with firearms at all, you never know, you may change his mind. +1 I havent done this in a long while, but for years my answer to all things liberal was to take them shooting. Guns are fun. They arent dirty (well, my ML are but i digress...) and they arent bad or mean. Worked wonders, but i wonder if it still worked. How many still see the light?
Quit giving in inch by inch then looking back to lament the mile behind ya and wonder how to preserve those few feet left in front of ya. They'll never stop until they're stopped. That's a fact.
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My favorite response these days is that it isnt about need. You dont need 6 cylinders, you dont need 3000 calories a day, you dont need a 6 pack per week, you dont need much of anything...
It isnt about need. It is about individual liberty, and once its gone it doesnt come back.
Quit giving in inch by inch then looking back to lament the mile behind ya and wonder how to preserve those few feet left in front of ya. They'll never stop until they're stopped. That's a fact.
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Let me guess, he drives a monster truck?
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Ask him why any one needs a bass boat, a Porsche, a summer home, or a 6 bedroom house?
There's really no need for them..............folks just want them
For every law that's passed, a little freedom dies!!!!!
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+1 wyote. Take away something he has and see him squeal. Hurts when it is your property they are taking. Tell him every shooter was a demo so we should outlaw demo's.
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First ask him to define "need"
He'll give you some bullshit definition that includes some kind of "extreme hardship"
Then ask him why women "need" the right to an abortion when they can give a baby up for adoption after they give birth
Then ask him why criminals "need" a jury trial in cases where the evidence is overwhelmingly against them
Then ask him why we "need" to allow voting without requiring I.D.
Then ask him why black people "need" to be able to ride at the front of a bus
Of course, the answer to all of those questions, including the magazine ban one, is that "need" is an undefinable term that depends solely on the person in the situation, and the only justification that "needs" to be given is that it is our constitutional right
He may not "need" a hi cap magazine, but then again, as a man, I don't "need" the right to an abortion. That doesn't mean they don't exist.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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Just ask him if he NEEDS all his teeth to suck pea soup through a [bleep] straw.
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You need it in case more than 10 liberals like him try to take it away.
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Ask him why he should not be trusted with either an AR or a mag. Keep after him to answer, because he will refuse to answer it directly. That is, after all, what he is saying with a ban. They think no one should be allowed to have one. Why not him? What is it about him that can't be trusted? I'll bet you don't get an answer. I like that one. Also advise him that since LE has no responsibility for your safety, and you are responsible for your own, why is it he feels you should not be equipped with the same tools as LE to deal with a potential threat. And of course there's the real argument that these tools are the best ones to deal with a tyranical government...the real basis for the 2nd. Invite him to go shooting with you. I have yet to see someone who doesn't absolutely love to dump a 30 round mag as fast as they can pull the trigger. Most of these anti gun folks have no hands on experience with firearms at all, you never know, you may change his mind. This also works sometimes. Once they get out and actually shoot a gun with a knowledgeable person, they seem much more open to discussing them logically and listening with interest to what you have to say. I have a friend (worked together for years, good guy, so it was inevitable we hung out, but he is a libtard) who was very anti-gun. His sister committed suicide with one, and that was largely (other than his political leaning) the reason he was so much against them. Another buddy and I took him shooting once. He is always asking when we are going again. He's been out with us a dozen times now, and much to the shock and dismay of his family, has even brought his 14 year old daughter along lately. I taught her to shoot just as I did him. She loves it, and is quite the good shot. Both are very interested in it now, and he has really changed his tune on guns and gun control. Still can't get him to stop voting for Obama, but small steps!
Guns are responsible for killing as much as Rosie O'Donnel's fork is responsible for her being FAT.
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Here is the position I take with my liberal coworkers about this issue.
There is no meaningful disadvantage to a bad guy restricting him to 10 rd mags. Magazines are very fast to swap, anybody with shooting experience understands this. A bad guy that is prepared and wanting to shoot up a bunch of people can walk in with a bag full of 10rd mags and be at no disadvantage.
Meanwhile the only real line of defense against these shooters is the good citizens with a concealed handgun. Since by nature, the good guys are law abiding, they will only have a 10rd mag in their pistol to take down the bad guy. Most people that carry concealed do not carry multiple magazines as they are that much harder to conceal and they don't carry a bag full of spares like the bad guy.
So just like all the other feelgood ineffective restrictions, you are only making the problem worse by restricting the capability of the good guys. To add that, any possible ban on mags will only result in the good guy following the law and the bad guy will not. There are literally millions of high cap mags in circulation, so the bad guys will most likely have them even if they are completely illegal.
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Inviting a hardcore anti-gunner to go shooting may seem like a great idea, but it would be like him offering you a snort of cocaine - the offer's not gonna be accepted. He'd say something like, "I've never touched a gun and never will."
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