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Wrong.

I can set two apples on a table. I see two. Then I can set two more on the table, and now I see four. And I can reach out and touch them. That is addition.

And I can't verify you?? Really?? That's the kind of argument that you want to use to show the superiority of being an all-knowing christian? I may not be able to see or touch you from here, but you are merely a few hours plane ride away. That has to be one of the weakest counters I've run across. Embarrassing actually.

Emotions? I can see smiles, I can touch tears.

Let ME suggest that YOU are a gullible fool for falling for all that you do, simply on somebody's word.



Really? Ask him to type it on here himself. HIM, not one of you, "on his behalf", or "doing his work". Have him send it to me via registered mail, with a verified return address, and postmarked heaven. Till then, "he" isn't telling me anything. But lots of you are.



I'm not going to tell him a thing. Cause I'll be DEAD and gone. My "spirit" isn't going to any gate, and nobody will be "there" to ask me any questions. Tough sell? A salesman that is dead trying to sell something to somebody who doesn't exist? Yeah, you win that round, it might be hard to get that one done.



My orders come in written form. Laws are on the books. Military regulations are on the books. When somebody with the authority to do so tells me that I have to do one of those things, I can go find the reference, and also see the penalty. I don't like paying fines or sitting in jail, so I make my decisions based on that. Real rules, with real consequences, that I can feel. Yours? Not so much. And before anybody even bothers, no, I am not one bit concerned about "but what if".

God would be so disappointed in you if he knew that you were the best he had to put forth his arguments.

Is the Universe - which you can see - an effect without a cause?

I am. and there's only ONE way. Jesus said he was THE way. Not a way.

Now you've done it ColdBore, you've outed yourself and made the Campfire prayer list....

The Universe, aka God's creation, is much greater than any of our ancestors every imagined, the same is likely true of God.

At the very least, God's gift is life, is there more?

You may not post much but when you do it is worth reading.

Much of that seems true, but please show where/how medical science demostrates that there is no more "spirit" after physical death.


Show me a fleeting thought, show me a yearning, show me a pain, show me an empathetic feeling, show me - - -. Does the fact that one cannot "show" those in finite form mean that they do not exist? Hardly. Do you you have a soul? Really!? If you feel, or believe, that you do not have a soul, it is understandable that you would not believe that your "spirit" will live on after your body rots. If, on the other hand, you believe that you do have a soul, how do you know that? Has medical science demonstrated it to you?


One cannot speak for others on this point, but the Bible does not make me believe anything - nor does it make me do anything. The Bible is the Word of God - it is ours to study, or not study. It is ours to believe, or not believe. God has given mankind a lot of free will - His Word does not make us do anything at all - we have choices to make. According to God's Word, those choices determine our future - for eternity. I have yet to see where medical science has spoken definitively about our future for eternity.


The above questions and analyses are neither preaching nor constant on my part. They may seem somewhat passive, but they are not subtle - and one can only hope that they can be enlightening. There is no effort here to convince you of anything - no plea or encoragement for you to do anything, except maybe to be more open in some way. Any agression in these matters must be be left to God. In addressing God's plan for the salvation of mankind, no Christian can be doing himself a favor. Any such favor would be to God.

This is not an easy conversation, but I hope that you will be able to see the comments in the positive spirit intended, and hope it is in some way helpful.

CCCC............ any none believer who finds something objectionable in your post is likely trying to put himself beyond the reach of God.

Trying to escape from something which does not exist puts a man in strange company.

Did Christ masturbate as a child, yes/no?

I can't answer that question on the grounds I would be judging people which if your a christian you shouldn't do.
But - the question contains part of the answer provided you assume what a Christian is.

That's where opinions seem to differ

I'm still wondering why Ken won't touch one of my posts with a 10 foot pole - I'm not trying to be sarcastic

1 Timothy 6:4

he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions,

2 Timothy 2:23

Don�t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels.

Titus 3:9

But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.

ColdBore, I am a true believer that you will receive your registered mail in due time. I hope you are are ready to sign for it.

G

Ask Him................. He's alive, you know.

Being convinced of a Risen Christ relieves me of any responsibility to answer stupid questions on His behalf.

If He is risen then that answers the question, thanks!

1. I don't know which question you refer to, but it makes no difference since I judge people's actions and words all the time.

2.I can't answer for Ken. Ask him......he's alive, you know.

3. Gonna be off line awhile. CCCC has my proxy vote.

Medical science doesn�t need to prove a negative. The burden of proof is always on the person making the assertive claim. There�s no evidence for a soul for or against.

billhilly, Let it be clear - no assertion on my part - merely asked the gentleman to show where/how his assertive claim has been demonstrated.

Don't give up hope you old goat. Wife and I are going to church on Palm Sunday and Easter.

It never ceases to amaze me how so many people think their beliefs are the only acceptable belief. I gave up on organized religion years ago. I was raised by a devout mother (who incidentally was a Sunday school teacher for 30 years) but she failed to accept that maybe I could think for myself. She tried so hard to get me to accept what she believed that eventually it drove me away from religion.

I believe my life follows what is accepted to be a "good" life if the word "religion" isn't brought into the discussion. I believe that when I die I am gone. If others think otherwise it is not my intent or place to try and dissuade them. I think it is presumptuous for others to think they know so much better than I what I should do or believe in.

The only thing this thread brings to me is the rigidity of thought some people hold.

All the best to everyone no matter what their orientation.

Jim

Fair enough. In the absence of evidence, it is reasonable to withhold belief. Like unicorns for instance. I don�t believe they exist but concede it is possible someone may come back from the jungles of Borneo or someplace with hard evidence of them. Until that happens, I will continue to believe they do not exist.