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I agree, that picture does show a fogged up scope. Thank you emmerth, at least someone here has some eyes that work. I took the picture and priced it low knowing how it looked. I thought the picture was a fair demonstation of how the scope was... Apparently some people opinions of "fogged" and "not clear" are very much different than others. THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE BOUGHT FROM ME IN THE PAST KNOW I AM STRAIGHT FORWARD, IF I HAVE SCREWED ANYONE ELSE OVER PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN....AND I APOLOGIZE TO ANYONE I MAY SCREW OVER IN THE FUTURE, ITS NOT INTENTIONAL JUST APPARENTLY IGNORANCE ON MY PART. 
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I will take it to a PM with the original buyer, I am not arguing with someone over the public forum about something that is a personal matter... I bet you dont find anyone else that I have sold to on here that thinks I ripped them off, and this is not the case here either. The picture clearly and accurately shows the scope. I never misrepresent items. I lowered the price for him and he still has a beef about it?? Very classy in my opinion. Now that they guy took it for everyone to see, NOW you want to try and take care of it by PM. You started with that and didn't handle it right. Had you been more honest about the condition of the scope and not misleading the buyer you would not have this problem.
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You were taken advantage of and you lost capital because of a clever misrepresentation by a fellow member who refused to make it right with a full refund. Not true, I offer a refund he wont reply and publicly stated that he I am done with this seller. I feel that it is beneath me to correspond with such a man of low character. There is nothing more that I can do
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Even cloudy as the picture shows the scope is worth well more than what he paid for it. You're GOOD at B.S.......
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Anyways, I am done with this seller. I feel that it is beneath me to correspond with such a man of low character.
Good move....Let him stew in the soup he's made.
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There is nothing more that I can do Convincing us, or yourself?......
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I am not going to beg someone to take a refund, just like I am not going to be told that I will or wont do something. Had he approached it in a reasonable manner opposed to telling me he is sending it back and expects a refund, without any other communication whatsoever, does not fly with me. Think what you want I really dont care, I am tired of arguing, I offered a refund, no reply, buyer states he dont want to stoop so low as to communicate to me, so case closed in my opinion.
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You were taken advantage of and you lost capital because of a clever misrepresentation by a fellow member who refused to make it right with a full refund. Not true, I offer a refund he wont reply and publicly stated that he I am done with this seller. I feel that it is beneath me to correspond with such a man of low character. There is nothing more that I can do You could send him his money back with a note asking him to return the scope. I think it would go a long way here in restoring your reputation.
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I know that I would NOT have been happy with the scope in that condition. To me, "not as clear" and foggy are two very different issues.
I'm with you on this one RAS.
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The picture clearly shows a scope with "issues", I see no false advertising here...
Did you really expect a 95 dollar scope to be crystal clear?
Seriously?
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Stating "Not as clear as today's scopes but not horrible either." is not the same as statng scope is fogged and will need repair.
Has I purchased it, I would be expecting a refund for misrepresentation irregardless of the price paid unless it was made clear up front that the scope was fogged and needed repair.
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I agree, that picture does show a fogged up scope. Thank you emmerth, at least someone here has some eyes that work. I took the picture and priced it low knowing how it looked. I thought the picture was a fair demonstation of how the scope was... Apparently some people opinions of "fogged" and "not clear" are very much different than others. THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE BOUGHT FROM ME IN THE PAST KNOW I AM STRAIGHT FORWARD, IF I HAVE SCREWED ANYONE ELSE OVER PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN....AND I APOLOGIZE TO ANYONE I MAY SCREW OVER IN THE FUTURE, ITS NOT INTENTIONAL JUST APPARENTLY IGNORANCE ON MY PART. Not everybody can see pics and some of us are looking at them on a small phone screen. You should fully disclose when something is wrong and be a man about it.
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Donsm70, we have dealt before, I agree not as clear and foggy are two different situations, I assure you the scope is not any more foggy today, than it was when the picture was taken. It is obviously a difference in opinions,and I would have gladly offered a refund initially had he not came across as a hard ass telling me what I would do without even asking for a refund, he tells me "he is sending it back and expects a refund". Well that is not the best way to get something done from my experience.
If your pulled over for speeding and you are sure you were not speeding you dont tell the cop, Hey I wasn't speeding and drive off do you? No you say officer I am sure that I wasn't speeding are you certain that I was? I am fairly certain that NO ONE on this site would like to be told what they will or wont do by an order. I never took orders from a stranger halfway across the US and I am not going to start now
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You were obviously trying to screw the buyer. Showing a picture does not justify your actions. You're not trust worthy.
All,
I've noticed on at least 6 occasions now in the past few months that the people who only post to sell something on the ads here WAY OVERSELL their product, especially scopes! These are the "Gun Show Creeps" that offer nothing to this site except to sell their junk.
We can do without them.
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Stating "Not as clear as today's scopes but not horrible either." is not the same as statng scope is fogged and will need repair.
Has I purchased it, I would be expecting a refund for misrepresentation irregardless of the price paid unless it was made clear up front that the scope was fogged and needed repair.
there is nothing wrong with the scope and it does not need repaired. I have yet to see a Lyman, Unertl, Weaver, Redfield or any other scope from the 1960's that could live up to today's standards as I PLAINLY stated
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theduke308
You were obviously trying to screw the buyer. Showing a picture does not justify your actions. You're not trust worthy.
All,
I've noticed on at least 6 occasions now in the past few months that the people who only post to sell something on the ads here WAY OVERSELL their product, especially scopes! These are the "Gun Show Creeps" that offer nothing to this site except to sell their junk.
We can do without them.
I am pretty sure if I were trying to mislead someone I would not have even put a picture looking through the scope let alone as many pictures as I did put.
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And I did offer via a PM to take it back since he wants to make a major public spectacle about his and my difference in opinion, and apparently computer monitor resolution.
By the way, you cant see through a foggy scope, this one was very much see through-able, just that it was not as clear as other scopes I have. I have yet to see a 40 year old weaver that was as clear as a Leupold, bushnell or even a Tasco... why not just be a stand up guy and return his money ? If I sold something to a member and he believed i misrepresented it , i would without hesitation return his money .
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Duke, Si says just get that Star Wars lazer surgery, and the scope will be crystal clear, all for just 95 bucks....
Not trying to be a smart ass, but there's a reason I don't buy used optics on web forums, especially for 95 bucks.
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the scope in the picure is not fogged, not clear yes, but its not fogged, when I had a scope fogged you couldnt ever see anything thur it
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Stating "Not as clear as today's scopes but not horrible either." is not the same as statng scope is fogged and will need repair.
Has I purchased it, I would be expecting a refund for misrepresentation irregardless of the price paid unless it was made clear up front that the scope was fogged and needed repair.
+1... Duke, you screwed up. The defects should have been better articulated. RAS, take the refund and move on.
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